THANK YOU ILLINOIS!!!!

[olemissduckhunter]

EDIT*** by Kelly Rees

It's 2008 bud, take off the pointy white hat and chill with the racial slurs. I wont put up with it.

[MudderGoose]

I'm stupid



You are a dummy

[olemissduckhunter]

come to Mississippi you will change your mind

[Kelly Rees]

I'll pass. Just dont throw racial slurs around on this forum please. Your welcome to your personal views, just keep it out of here.

[olemissduckhunter]

sounds good, sorry just where im from those are the more acceptable terms.

[MudderGoose]

sounds good, sorry just where im from those are the more acceptable terms.


What country is olemiss in???

[olemissduckhunter]

sounds good, sorry just where im from those are the more acceptable terms.


What country is olemiss in???

Not Africa

[MudderGoose]

You seem extremely informed and politacally savvy. Are you ole enough to vote and do your part to make the world a better place?

[olemissduckhunter]

Yes I am 21, I will do my part to make this world a better place for all of us outdoorsmen by not voting for Obama in the November election. I don't see how any true sportsman can not see Obama as a threat to the lives that lead and the hobbies that we love.

Barack Obama on Gun Control
Click here for 11 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

This is a short list of all the bills Obama has supported that will inhibit our rights as sportsmen to do what we love.

Please don't even get me started on the "socialization" of healthcare.

[MudderGoose]

Thanks for the insight olemiss. You may now return to driving around and shooting stop signs.

[jville goose killer]

The 2nd amendment is there for a reason.That reason is in case the government gets too strong or or there is a cause for a common miltia.Remember the American Revolution? Enough said.There will never be a ban on common firearms. Personally I don't mind bans on assult weapons. No common man should need an Uzi, I know I don't, Yea it would be cool to have one but there is no use for it except to harm other people. You definately can't hunt with it.I am a southern boy born and raised and I do have my objections to some things, but Obama is for ending this war, and Mccain is not. I do not like the fact that some gun control is supported but that should not be our main issue.

Look at the shape of our country. We had to borrow 60 BILLION dollars from China to have our wonderful little SURPLUS we got, and guess what we have to pay it back at 22, yea look again 22% interest. For all of you out there that are not so hot at math just 1 BILLION minutes ago Christ still walked the Earth. I am a hunter, but we need to woory about taking care of our own people and our own money before we worry about other things that are not top priority. The rich is geeting rich and the poor are getting poorer and the middle class where I am, is slowly disappearing.

The middle class of people is what keeps this country alive and thriving, and without the middle class we won't have to worry about guns or hunting, because THERE WON'T BE ANY There will alwalys be more poor than rich PERIOD. So we can stay on the track we are on, elect another president with common party ideals and slowly watch our country eat away at itself from the inside or we can get our freakin priorities STRAIT and make some good decesions as voters. It does not take a genius to see the light, or run the United States apparently.

[WGM-57]

There will never be a ban on common firearms. Personally I don't mind bans on assult weapons

With thinking like that we're all in big trouble :!: :!: :!:

[Killer Miller]

Thanks for the insight olemiss. You may now return to driving around and shooting stop signs.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mnbenelli]

sounds good, sorry just where im from those are the more acceptable terms.


I hear also that where your from that your mom is your sister and your dad is your uncle????


http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/mshearer76/banjo1.jpg


Later!

[BigR]

Wow, I can't believe your neck of the woods got computers with internet before runnin' water...HOT DAMN

[jstbob]

sorry to tell you my grandma is a die hard obama hater as far as she has told me he never voted for or against any bill that ever went to office.

[olemissduckhunter]

I am not trying to spread racisim and white supremecy views. I was just angry that American's could elect a canidate such as Obama. Even if Obama was the whitest man alive i still would feel the same way. The man has no platform, the only thing he has promised so far is: the elevation of taxes, tighter gun control, CHANGE, and a good speaking voice. The American people have been sucked in by this man and his ability to draw attention to him self that they have neglected to see his true agenda. Even CNN, the most liberal of all the liberal media, has stated that Obama is the most left wing canidate America has seen in quite some time. It is just hard to believe that American sportsmen, such as ourselves, could ever elect this man President. I won't even talk about the hypocracy of the previous post, stating that I am a redneck, white supremecist from the south, therefore my mother and aunt must be one in the same.

[MudderGoose]

my mother and aunt must be one in the same.

Obama for President :!:
http://blog.engage.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/obama.jpg

[olemissduckhunter]

my mother and aunt must be one in the same.

Obama for President :!:
http://blog.engage.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/obama.jpg

And you call me ignorrant!!

[MudderGoose]

No, I called you dumb :wink:

[jville goose killer]

It is just hard to believe that American sportsmen, such as ourselves, could ever elect this man President.

He is getting my vote.

[mnbenelli]

It is just hard to believe that American sportsmen, such as ourselves, could ever elect this man President.

He is getting my vote.

Not mine....

[hammer007911]

.There will never be a ban on common firearms.

Personally I don't mind bans on assult weapons. .

Dude do a little reading, the last proposed ban on assult weapons included automatic shotguns. Yes my Extrema made the list as well as the SBE.

Just casuse your a pump shot gun guy do not let them take away my automatic shotgun please.

Hammer

[Nick McArthur]

I am not trying to spread racisim and white supremecy views. I was just angry that American's could elect a canidate such as Obama....The man has no platform, the only thing he has promised so far is: the elevation of taxes, tighter gun control, CHANGE, and a good speaking voice. The American people have been sucked in by this man and his ability to draw attention to him self that they have neglected to see his true agenda. Even CNN, the most liberal of all the liberal media, has stated that Obama is the most left wing canidate America has seen in quite some time. It is just hard to believe that American sportsmen, such as ourselves, could ever elect this man President...

You are angry at the fact that "Americans could elect a candidate such as Obama...", but how about a candidate "such as" President Bush, how about him, he has really done a lot of wonderful things for you, or how about a candidate "such as" Sen. McCain, what changes is he gonna make, not too many being as though he shares the same stance as President Bush. Obama may raise some taxes, but on people/families who make more than $250,000, that don't bother me one bit, and probably not 95%, hell, 99% of the people on this forum.

Or how about leaving men and women in Irag for up to 100 years if necessary, and for what....what possible good is it doing besides tearing our country apart??? McCain makes perfect sense for those who are rich and keep getting richer (not a word, but makes most sense), makes perfect sense for those who support what is going on in the Middle East, (don't get me wrong, I support the troops 110%, but not the cause), and how about when those come home from serving for their country, McCain doesn't want to let them take FULL advantage of the GI bill......McCain makes perfect sense for someone that doesn't care about the people who make this country what it is, the middle class and those who protect our freedom. You would think someone with his military and public service record would care a little bit more for someone who came from exactly where he did.

At some point, we as "sportsmen" need to quit voting out of fear of losing our guns, one fu*$ing issue, and look at the broader spectrum of things....or at some point it ain't gonna matter if you have your guns to hunt or not, because we ain't gonna be able to afford to use them to do what we love anyways.

It blows my mind that there are that many people that would vote for someone who is going to be a 4 year continuation of where we are at now, and everyone knows it. People may not be as familiar with Obama as others, but, he will try and take us in a different direction than the one we are heading anyways, that has to be worth something!!

[jville goose killer]

.There will never be a ban on common firearms.

Personally I don't mind bans on assult weapons. .

Dude do a little reading, the last proposed ban on assult weapons included automatic shotguns. Yes my Extrema made the list as well as the SBE.

Just casuse your a pump shot gun guy do not let them take away my automatic shotgun please.

Hammer

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Amen Mr. McArthur

[mnbenelli]

I am not trying to spread racisim and white supremecy views. I was just angry that American's could elect a canidate such as Obama....The man has no platform, the only thing he has promised so far is: the elevation of taxes, tighter gun control, CHANGE, and a good speaking voice. The American people have been sucked in by this man and his ability to draw attention to him self that they have neglected to see his true agenda. Even CNN, the most liberal of all the liberal media, has stated that Obama is the most left wing canidate America has seen in quite some time. It is just hard to believe that American sportsmen, such as ourselves, could ever elect this man President...

You are angry at the fact that "Americans could elect a candidate such as Obama...", but how about a candidate "such as" President Bush, how about him, he has really done a lot of wonderful things for you, or how about a candidate "such as" Sen. McCain, what changes is he gonna make, not too many being as though he shares the same stance as President Bush. Obama may raise some taxes, but on people/families who make more than $250,000, that don't bother me one bit, and probably not 95%, hell, 99% of the people on this forum.

Or how about leaving men and women in Irag for up to 100 years if necessary, and for what....what possible good is it doing besides tearing our country apart??? McCain makes perfect sense for those who are rich and keep getting richer (not a word, but makes most sense), makes perfect sense for those who support what is going on in the Middle East, (don't get me wrong, I support the troops 110%, but not the cause), and how about when those come home from serving for their country, McCain doesn't want to let them take FULL advantage of the GI bill......McCain makes perfect sense for someone that doesn't care about the people who make this country what it is, the middle class and those who protect our freedom. You would think someone with his military and public service record would care a little bit more for someone who came from exactly where he did.

At some point, we as "sportsmen" need to quit voting out of fear of losing our guns, one fu*$ing issue, and look at the broader spectrum of things....or at some point it ain't gonna matter if you have your guns to hunt or not, because we ain't gonna be able to afford to use them to do what we love anyways.

It blows my mind that there are that many people that would vote for someone who is going to be a 4 year continuation of where we are at now, and everyone knows it. People may not be as familiar with Obama as others, but, he will try and take us in a different direction than the one we are heading anyways, that has to be worth something!!


Still does not get my vote....Nice post though!

[Trevor Shannahan]

It is just hard to believe that American sportsmen, such as ourselves, could ever elect this man President.

He is getting my vote.

Not mine....Same here. And he keeps promising CHANGE. What does that really mean? There are plenty of things he could change, it doesn't mean it is going to be good.

[Ilbowhunter]

I can't vote for this guy either


Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin,
presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he
doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171, During
rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present
except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag
with the right hand over the heart.

"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking
sides," Obama said. "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the
American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a
war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be
swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song
'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might
salute it."


WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!! Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this could possibly be our
next president. I, for once, am speechless.

[Nick McArthur]

Here's Hoping!!!

[Ilbowhunter]

Holy Crap make sure you read his last statement what a racist......

In Obama's own words (Scary)



Subject: In Obama's own words (Very, very Scary)

This guy wants to be our President and control our government. Pay close attention to the last comment!! Below are a few lines from Obama's books. These are passages in his own words:

From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of
himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I had packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And here's the clincher: (grab on to something when you read this:)

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
_____________________________________

Holy Moley!!!!! Is anyone paying attention out there??????? Does that mean if elected President he would hand us over to the Muslims????????
And it's in PRINT !

[olemissduckhunter]

Just nailing my point home, Thank you Ilbowhunter and Trevor, I knew there were a few people with some sense on this board.

[Ilbowhunter]

Hey olemiss have you seen this. Check it out

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

[mnbenelli]

Just nailing my point home, Thank you Ilbowhunter and Trevor, I knew there were a few people with some sense on this board.


What??? I said I wasn't voting for him....Blow me a kiss too!!!

[olemissduckhunter]

Just nailing my point home, Thank you Ilbowhunter and Trevor, I knew there were a few people with some sense on this board.


What??? I said I wasn't voting for him....Blow me a kiss too!!!

ok you too

[olemissduckhunter]

Hey olemiss have you seen this. Check it out

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

I have seen that, and it sent chills running down my spine.

[mallard stomper]

Same here. And he keeps promising CHANGE. What does that really mean? There are plenty of things he could change, it doesn't mean it is going to be good.

What president does do what they say they are.....NO ONE

[Kelly Rees]

I'm stuck in the middle of this deal.

Most of the "quotes" and other propaganda about Obama turns out to be BS, fake or fabricated. Unless you have it on video it probably didnt happen.

Now I dont think I paid a ton of attention in school but I am aware of the fact that the President doesnt make laws. So saying Obama (or any other candidate) will ban guns is ludicris. They cant. So maybe people should pay closer attention to who they vote into the Senate and Congress, those are the guys that make law.

As far as Presidents go...Republicans have done nothing for the economy. Last time we had a Dem in office gas was .85 a gallon and the biggest worry we had was who was getting hummers in the White House. Throw a republican in there and gas goes to $5 a gallon, we go to war and the economy goes down the ****ter.

If we get another Republican you wont need to worry about gun bans because you wont be able to afford gas to go hunting.

I dont know if Obama is the right guy or not but I sure would like to see 4 years of Democratic Economy.

[rushcreekganderlander]

I'm stuck in the middle of this deal.

Most of the "quotes" and other propaganda about Obama turns out to be BS, fake or fabricated. Unless you have it on video it probably didnt happen.

Now I dont think I paid a ton of attention in school but I am aware of the fact that the President doesnt make laws. So saying Obama (or any other candidate) will ban guns is ludicris. They cant. So maybe people should pay closer attention to who they vote into the Senate and Congress, those are the guys that make law.

As far as Presidents go...Republicans have done nothing for the economy. Last time we had a Dem in office gas was .85 a gallon and the biggest worry we had was who was getting hummers in the White House. Throw a republican in there and gas goes to $5 a gallon, we go to war and the economy goes down the ****ter.

If we get another Republican you wont need to worry about gun bans because you wont be able to afford gas to go hunting.

I dont know if Obama is the right guy or not but I sure would like to see 4 years of Democratic Economy.

+1.

[Steve Nickerson]

I'm stuck in the middle of this deal.

Most of the "quotes" and other propaganda about Obama turns out to be BS, fake or fabricated. Unless you have it on video it probably didnt happen.

Now I dont think I paid a ton of attention in school but I am aware of the fact that the President doesnt make laws. So saying Obama (or any other candidate) will ban guns is ludicris. They cant. So maybe people should pay closer attention to who they vote into the Senate and Congress, those are the guys that make law.

As far as Presidents go...Republicans have done nothing for the economy. Last time we had a Dem in office gas was .85 a gallon and the biggest worry we had was who was getting hummers in the White House. Throw a republican in there and gas goes to $5 a gallon, we go to war and the economy goes down the ****ter.

If we get another Republican you wont need to worry about gun bans because you wont be able to afford gas to go hunting.

I dont know if Obama is the right guy or not but I sure would like to see 4 years of Democratic Economy.

+1.

+2

[mallard stomper]

I'm stuck in the middle of this deal.

Most of the "quotes" and other propaganda about Obama turns out to be BS, fake or fabricated. Unless you have it on video it probably didnt happen.

Now I dont think I paid a ton of attention in school but I am aware of the fact that the President doesnt make laws. So saying Obama (or any other candidate) will ban guns is ludicris. They cant. So maybe people should pay closer attention to who they vote into the Senate and Congress, those are the guys that make law.

As far as Presidents go...Republicans have done nothing for the economy. Last time we had a Dem in office gas was .85 a gallon and the biggest worry we had was who was getting hummers in the White House. Throw a republican in there and gas goes to $5 a gallon, we go to war and the economy goes down the ****ter.

If we get another Republican you wont need to worry about gun bans because you wont be able to afford gas to go hunting.

I dont know if Obama is the right guy or not but I sure would like to see 4 years of Democratic Economy.

+1.

+2
+3

[mlgorecki]

...Unless you have it on video it probably didnt happen.

...I dont know if Obama is the right guy or not but I sure would like to see 4 years of Democratic Economy.
I'm with you guys on the economy part, but does this look like the posture of a true patriot during the Pledge of Allegiance?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n265/mlgorecki/Obama.jpg

[rushcreekganderlander]

...Unless you have it on video it probably didnt happen.

...I dont know if Obama is the right guy or not but I sure would like to see 4 years of Democratic Economy.
I'm with you guys on the economy part, but does this look like the posture of a true patriot during the Pledge of Allegiance?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n265/mlgorecki/Obama.jpg

To the best of my knowledge that photo was doctored. :wink:

[mlgorecki]

...To the best of my knowledge that photo was doctored. :wink:
Probably so, but at least let me stir the pot a little. :lol:

[johnboysmh]

man Obama is a a$$ look at him, and some people want he to be president :? i dont think so. McKaine all the way

[Kelly Rees]

The pic means nothing. Look at everyone else in the pic...obviously everyone is looking a different direction. Check SNOPES out they blasted it saying it was faked.

[Steve Nickerson]

some people want he to be president :? McKaine all the way

Are you old enough to vote...or spell...or lay down a properly constructed sentence? Wow, our educational system does need help. :wink:

[mlgorecki]

...Look at everyone else in the pic...obviously everyone is looking a different direction...
Not to nit pick, but look closer. Three of them are looking in the same direction, including Obama. Whatever, as it's probably fake anayway.

Well I'm sober now; more serious and I'm with you all on the gas thing, along with the overall state of the economy as it really is in the $h!tter. I don't remember gas being as low as .85 pg right before Clinton's 2nd term was over, but if you did the research to verify, then I guess it's so.

Honestly folks, I'm a little scared this time around. 1) Obama - He might be great for the economy; but, if another 911 hits us, he might not even have the balls to send over a strongly worded letter. 2) McCain - Here's a man of more honor and principle than most politicians in the History of this country. Example: The POW thing; he wouldn't allow himself to be released without his buddies. That's honor!! If a 911 occurs, you know he'll do the right thing. However; a guy of this level of principle could be a stubborn control freak and therefore unwilling to act on sound advice from his staff. Furthermore, if his version of the economy (gas, etc.) prohibits me from being able to afford the gas to hunt, then that's not good either. Scary. :?

[Nick McArthur]

...Look at everyone else in the pic...obviously everyone is looking a different direction...
Not to nit pick, but look closer. Three of them are looking in the same direction, including Obama. Whatever, as it's probably fake anayway.

Well I'm sober now; more serious and I'm with you all on the gas thing, along with the overall state of the economy as it really is in the $h!tter. I don't remember gas being as low as .85 pg right before Clinton's 2nd term was over, but if you did the research to verify, then I guess it's so.

Honestly folks, I'm a little scared this time around. 1) Obama - He might be great for the economy; but, if another 911 hits us, he might not even have the balls to send over a strongly worded letter. 2) McCain - Here's a man of more honor and principle than most politicians in the History of this country. Example: The POW thing; he wouldn't allow himself to be released without his buddies. That's honor!! If a 911 occurs, you know he'll do the right thing. However; a guy of this level of principle could be a stubborn control freak and therefore unwilling to act on sound advice from his staff. Furthermore, if his version of the economy (gas, etc.) prohibits me from being able to afford the gas to hunt, then that's not good either. Scary. :?

By doing the right thing, do you mean running blindly into a war to make good on an old vendetta!!??!! What exactly is the right thing to do??!! And that is the only thinng McCain has going for him.....FEAR MONGERING!! Why would anyone think that if President, Obama would not make the right decisions to defend us as a county....that is his job. No one is discrediting McCain's service to us, very honorable man, but his stances on the big issues are no different from where we are RIGHT now!!!

[johnboysmh]

some people want he to be president :? McKaine all the way

Are you old enough to vote...or spell...or lay down a properly constructed sentence? Wow, our educational system does need help. :wink:
noi i am not old enough to vote. And no look at what time i posted the reply, it was like 1 in the morning. I was hot at the time seeing that picture, and i dont need someone telling me who bad i type or how well my sentence is. i dont really care any way. The picture is fake.

[mlgorecki]

...but his stances on the big issues are no different from where we are RIGHT now!!!
Pretty much my point with the 2nd part of my 2) Nick. As for "running blindly into a war", I was referring to 911/Bin Ladin/Afghanistan; but since you bring up Iraq, I'm still behind the notion that there was an evil tyrant over who needed to go. I just wish it didn't turn into such a protracted ordeal. There's units over there now for their fourth time. Enough!!!

It's a big trade-off. I really don't know what to do.

[Nick McArthur]

If you look at my first post I said those thing, I DO NOT suppot this war, but I do support those who are fighting for us!!!! Saddam needing to go, ya, probably sooner or later, but Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to go after him......but there is no reason to be there any longer, being as though Bush and McCain have declared "Mission Accomplished" long ago. We are not responsible for those people, they need to take their own action and be independent how ever they see fit.....NO LONGER OUR CONCERN....but still is Bush and McCain's because there is oil involved...and it ain't serving us one bit of good spending billions and billions there babysitting the middle east. Obama will at least take steps to decrease our presence there and stop the war that is tearing our country apart.

[mlgorecki]

I'm with ya.

[WhiteFeather]

Obama will at least take steps to decrease our presence there and stop the war that is tearing our country apart.


I think there are more factors to the current state of the U.S. than solely the war in Iraq.


I do agree that it is time to get out of the middle east and fight the wars we have going on our own soil. Social Security, Poverty, Drugs, Welfare, Unemployment, Economic deficiencies, etc.

[Nick McArthur]

Obama will at least take steps to decrease our presence there and stop the war that is tearing our country apart.


I think there are more factors to the current state of the U.S. than solely the war in Iraq.


I do agree that it is time to get out of the middle east and fight the wars we have going on our own soil. Social Security, Poverty, Drugs, Welfare, Unemployment, Economic deficiencies, etc.

Exactly, but McCain ain't gonna address any of those either, he really doesn't any issues with our economy or gas.......if does, he ain't showed it or cared thus far!!! There are many more things to concentrate on, but we do need to quit babysitting in the middle east and spending money where it don't need to be spent!!

[WhiteFeather]

I agree. Money can be spent better elsewhere.

[olemissduckhunter]

If you look at my first post I said those thing, I DO NOT suppot this war, but I do support those who are fighting for us!!!! Saddam needing to go, ya, probably sooner or later, but Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to go after him......but there is no reason to be there any longer, being as though Bush and McCain have declared "Mission Accomplished" long ago. We are not responsible for those people, they need to take their own action and be independent how ever they see fit.....NO LONGER OUR CONCERN....but still is Bush and McCain's because there is oil involved...and it ain't serving us one bit of good spending billions and billions there babysitting the middle east. Obama will at least take steps to decrease our presence there and stop the war that is tearing our country apart.

A large majority of the imported oil into the U.S. comes from Venezuala (sp). That is such a cop out for down grading this war we are fighting right now. You and every other cool, Liberal college student can think all you want that this war is about oil when it realy is not. I can not even fathom how someone could not expect us to go to war after what happened on 9/11. An attack twice as worse as pearl harbor, and we are not expected to strike back, that is a load of bull. We could do like Obama wants to do and get all these terrorist leaders together and have one big, hugging and kissing confrence and try and settle our differences through words, It's alright that you killed thousands of our citizens, just don't do it again please!!! Hussein was a man that needed to be taken out of power, and we did just that, and helping another country to form a successful and operational government after the tyranny of a psychotic dictator only makes us look better to other countries. The simple fact is that I have not spoken to one soldier that has come back and said what we are doing over there is pointless, there are reasons behind everything, most too large for normal joes like you and me to understand, but I think it is our job as citizens to not question the people we elect to make decissions for us, and we need to trust them and support them in everything that they do. I would also like to pose a question to everyone that his been comenting on this thread, Who did you vote for in the last election? Did you really want John Kerry running our country? If you can say yes i will support that but if people voted for Bush and are now bashing him that is complete hypocracy.

[olemissduckhunter]

by the way the social security plan that Obama is talking about implementing will double all of you small business owners taxes out there. Just to let you know.

[mlgorecki]

Well check out the big brain on olemissduckhunter; and he has the "warrior mindset". You go Brother.

[Kelly Rees]

but I think it is our job as citizens to not question the people we elect to make decissions for us, and we need to trust them and support them in everything that they do.

That right there scares me to death...really. Are you serious about that?

You my friend are a sheep and the wolves are comin to get ya.

Seriously, "our job not to question" "trust and support them in everything they do" you should move to China or another communist country, you'll fit right in.

[J Kryspin]

Blaming President Bush as the sole reason gas prices are high shows your lack of knowledge of how things work.

[WGM-57]

Blaming President Bush as the sole reason gas prices are high shows your lack of knowledge of how things work.
Very true, I really doubt the price of gas will get any cheaper with the dems in control. Those who believe that it will are playing right into their hands. That is one of the things they are counting on to get elected :!: :!:

[Nick McArthur]

Listen fellas, I don't think that when the Democrats have control of the big white house on Pennsylvania Ave all a sudden gas prices are going to come down, the economy will take a severe upturn, mortgage foreclosures will stop, my taxes will go down and put a little money in my pocket(well at least not right away), and the world will be a more peaceful place. But what I do know, is that at least we will have a President that will at least acknowledge the problems or at least pretend he gives a damn, unlike what Bush has given us or what McCain offers. And I don't blame Bush solely for where the gas prices are, but he definitely has had a hand in it. The gas prices are not driven 100% supply and demand....these are rich guys held up in rooms smoking cigars having a great time pushing up the price of oil by buying and selling it to themselves, oil companies gouging the hell out of us, and the president not seeing anything wrong with that while guys, I assume like you, and like myself are dropping a lot of money at the pump.

I don't know about you, but there is a lot wrong here, and McCain is not the answer, he will not help us out either, the rich would continue to get richer, and we just sit by the wayside and get fu*%ed. But you guys just sit there and "not question" our public officials whose first priority should be to us as constituents who elected them.....WOW....that statement is out there.

[MudderGoose]

I think it is our job as citizens to not question the people we elect to make decissions for us, and we need to trust them and support them in everything that they do.


That's almost as dumb as the racial epithet you used in your first post, maybe dumber. I know it's dumber then when you responded, "Not Africa", when I asked where olemiss was. You should have just said Cuba.

[Spank'em]

Man, you guys have been making some good points, I guess im just still trying to figure how in a country as great as ours, we have come down to these 2 as our only choices to run this country for the next 4 years minimum. SCARY!

[mnbenelli]

Man, you guys have been making some good points, I guess im just still trying to figure how in a country as great as ours, we have come down to these 2 as our only choices to run this country for the next 4 years minimum. SCARY!


Great post! I have been wondering the same thing!

[MudderGoose]

Great post! I have been wondering the same thing!



Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens :!:

[jstbob]

What I dont get is how can you put someone with no military background in charge of the best military in the world.

[assfault]

How much military background does bush have???

[mlgorecki]

...and the world will be a more peaceful place.
Puppies and candy canes, right? :P That's just an affectionate little jab Nick. Please don't retort with three more paragraphs of Obama flag waving. :P That's another jab.

[J Kryspin]

Price gouging McArthur??? Are you running for office soon???

Price gouging for a company(ies) that is(are) turning 8% - 10% profits? Wow.

[mlgorecki]

How much military background does bush have???
He was in the Air National Guard.

[Nick McArthur]

Price gouging for a company(ies) that is(are) turning 8% - 10% profits? Wow.

If you would take the time to do the math, 8 to 10% increases on hundreds of billions of dollars PER QUARTER is quite a bit where I come from....not sure where you learned your math deduction skills.....but I would take 8 to 10% increases if those were my profits....

[J Kryspin]

Price gouging for a company(ies) that is(are) turning 8% - 10% profits? Wow.

If you would take the time to do the math, 8 to 10% increases on hundreds of billions of dollars PER QUARTER is quite a bit where I come from....not sure where you learned your math deduction skills.....but I would take 8 to 10% increases if those were my profits....

Common sense tells you that's a lot of money... so why can't you comprehend there's no gouging???

8%-10% profit is not a lot... when you look at the percentage. You see, if they're making billions, they're spending billions to get there.

Would you want the government to step in and say your company can only make 5% profit year over year?

Take oil off of speculator trading and you'll see prices drop.

Being the wise one that you are, you should also know that these are all publicly traded companies. So while gas prices may be going up, your investments could be as well had you aligned them with the oil companies.

[NWPAScott]

Since when is it a crime to make a profit in the US? Oil companies and the supply/demand market decide oil prices not Senators and especially not a President regardless of party. If you start taxing the oil companies for these so called record profits do you think your price at the pump will go down?? I don't think so..they will actually increase. Lets not forget $.40 of each gallon of gas you buy is going to the Federal Government. What happened to a free market and capitalism in this country?

[mlgorecki]

...What happened to a free market and capitalism in this country?
Interesting point. Has the country finally become a victim of it's own capitalist regime? Real scary.

[Nick McArthur]

Price gouging for a company(ies) that is(are) turning 8% - 10% profits? Wow.

If you would take the time to do the math, 8 to 10% increases on hundreds of billions of dollars PER QUARTER is quite a bit where I come from....not sure where you learned your math deduction skills.....but I would take 8 to 10% increases if those were my profits....

Common sense tells you that's a lot of money... so why can't you comprehend there's no gouging???

8%-10% profit is not a lot... when you look at the percentage. You see, if they're making billions, they're spending billions to get there.

Would you want the government to step in and say your company can only make 5% profit year over year?

Take oil off of speculator trading and you'll see prices drop.


Being the wise one that you are, you should also know that these are all publicly traded companies. So while gas prices may be going up, your investments could be as well had you aligned them with the oil companies.

No **** speculation is driving this, good point there, perhaps the "Federal Government" might have a little pull there to step in and fix things.....nothing gets by you. When companies are turning those profits each quarter, and breaking those records every quarter for the last 30 or so, its gotta make one think....perhaps you enjoy paying the outrageous prices, I guess I don't and have hopes of maybe the Federal Gov't looking into it to try and find answers that justify this....gas puts a big dent in the pay check.

Bottom line is, one can't argue you with idiocy, and I can see I am barking up that exact tree....

[J Kryspin]

Price gouging for a company(ies) that is(are) turning 8% - 10% profits? Wow.

If you would take the time to do the math, 8 to 10% increases on hundreds of billions of dollars PER QUARTER is quite a bit where I come from....not sure where you learned your math deduction skills.....but I would take 8 to 10% increases if those were my profits....

Common sense tells you that's a lot of money... so why can't you comprehend there's no gouging???

8%-10% profit is not a lot... when you look at the percentage. You see, if they're making billions, they're spending billions to get there.

Would you want the government to step in and say your company can only make 5% profit year over year?

Take oil off of speculator trading and you'll see prices drop.


Being the wise one that you are, you should also know that these are all publicly traded companies. So while gas prices may be going up, your investments could be as well had you aligned them with the oil companies.

No **** speculation is driving this, good point there, perhaps the "Federal Government" might have a little pull there to step in and fix things.....nothing gets by you. When companies are turning those profits each quarter, and breaking those records every quarter for the last 30 or so, its gotta make one think....perhaps you enjoy paying the outrageous prices, I guess I don't and have hopes of maybe the Federal Gov't looking into it to try and find answers that justify this....gas puts a big dent in the pay check.

Bottom line is, one can't argue you with idiocy, and I can see I am barking up that exact tree....

Let's just all cry and say "it's the big, bag oil company's fault... WAAAAAAAH"

So when you have no argument you resort to clever namecalling.

Get over yourself.

[mdh2ofowler]

Amen Jerry

[assfault]

How much military background does bush have???
He was in the Air National Guard.

So a guy who is in the national guard and avoids the draft is a national security expert???

[mlgorecki]

...and the world will be a more peaceful place.
I've been trying to let this one go Nick; but I'm sorry Bud, it's been tickling my funny bone way too much to resist. What, are you Ghandi now? How naive is that?

[Lockin "em" u]

...and the world will be a more peaceful place.
I've been trying to let this one go Nick; but I'm sorry Bud, it's been tickling my funny bone way too much to resist. What, are you Ghandi now? How naive is that?

Been pretty entertaining so far............
Please continue...............
Man I wish we had more smilies
roll on the floor laughin smilie X10 here

[Nick McArthur]

Again, one can't argue with idiocy...re-read the entire sentence in the post and not one segment of the sentence and everything will become clear for you simpletons. :lol:

[WhiteFeather]

Again, one can't argue with idiocy...re-read the entire sentence in the post and not one segment of the sentence and everything will become clear for you simpletons. :lol:



Actually you can argue with IDIOCY... The old saying goes, "If you can't beat them with brilliance, baffle them with BULL****!"

[mlgorecki]

Alright I give up and I'm ready to play nice.

[Kelly Rees]

From the Washington Post

Exxon broke the record it previously had set for profits by a U.S. corporation, earning $40.6 billion last year. It earned $11.7 billion in the fourth quarter, or $2.13 a share, up 14 percent from the fourth quarter of 2006. Revenue for the quarter rose 30 percent, to $116.64 billion. Exxon's profit for the year came to $4.6 million an hour.

Chevron said its profit rose 29 percent, to $4.9 billion, or $2.32 a share. Chevron's quarterly revenue grew 29 percent, to $61.41 billion. Profits of the five biggest international oil companies have tripled since 2002.

[jstbob]

How much military background does bush have???
He was in the Air National Guard.

So a guy who is in the national guard and avoids the draft is a national security expert???


he was a pilot in something I dont remember what but at least he had some exp

[J Kryspin]

Nick - You still haven't explained in the faintest bit how you think reducing a company's profits will in turn yield lower prices at the pump.

We're all waiting for your socialist answer. Afterall, that's what you're recommended if the government should step in and limit how much profit a publicly traded company should make.

Oh that's right, the government should just "step in" since we're being "price gouged".

:lol:

Don't forget your tin foil hat too. They might try to get you in your sleep.

[WhiteFeather]

Don't forget your tin foil hat too. They might try to get you in your sleep.


ZZZZZIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGG!!!!

[rushcreekganderlander]

The gov't should step in on these oil companies. The constitution reads We the people not we the corporations. Honestly if you can't see that gas is hurting our economy and think nothing can be done...you need to turn Rush Limbaugh off. :D If the gov't really works for the people they will step in and make them stop raping us. Trying to justify these billions in profits while the middle class down is folding is just plain unbelievable. Try and sell it to me all you want...I aint buying it. The current administration has a lot to do with the oil prices as well. Not to mention they all have heavy hands in the oil business but wasn't oil $33 a barrel before the Iraq war and is now $139?

I think the majority of everyday Americans are independly minded and can see that the last 8 years need to come to a stop. I would of voted for John McCain...8 years ago, but he lost to bush in the primaries. To tell me then that Bush was a better candidate than McCain...then 8 years later see what Bush has done...why would I even consider voting for his lesser?

[J Kryspin]

Everyone wants the government to "step in"... BUT DO WHAT? Recommend something. Plagerize something. Pull something out of your Cracker Jack box. Just offer an idea. "Stepping in" on oil companies is a great idea... BUT SUBSTANTIATE IT.

However, Rush, by "stepping in" and cutting oil company profits - you're also having the government run a company that is owned by stockholders. You say the government can't run the country, but you want them running the oil companies? Plenty of them are "middle class".

Like I stated earlier, take oil off of speculator trading.

It also doesn't hurt that the dollar is no longer the basis of world currency due to it's depleted value. Once that regains it's power, you will see the price of oil drop as well.

...and don't get me started on foreclosures. There are plenty of able, willing people walking away from homes because THEY signed a variable rate loan, taking a gamble that the market would not flop. WOOPS.

[Nick McArthur]

It also doesn't hurt that the dollar is no longer the basis of world currency due to it's depleted value. Once that regains it's power, you will see the price of oil drop as well.



Ask your narrow mind a question....why is it you think that dollar is in some trouble right now.....??? Could it be because our economy is in a down turn cycle, with prices of gas as one of the major compenents, prices of commodities making everything at the grocery store inflate in price??

Do you think a majority of our current state might have to do with those things....wow, you think can think globally in terms of the dollar, but you're not able to deduce it down to where the problem here is..... Another "A" for little Jerry for stating the obvious about the value of the dollar...WOW....someone has been paying attention....good job!!!!

Maybe you can tell me what currency is used to buy oil around the world?? Could it be the dollar......no....it couldn't be......and being as though the dollar can't buy as much oil as it could, it costs us more dollars to get that same barrell of oil??!!!??? Here's a little tip, I am guessing that if the price of oil comes down, I bet you might see the dollar regain some strength......maybe..... :lol:

[WhiteFeather]

Once that regains it's power, you will see the price of oil drop as well.



Here's a little tip, I am guessing that if the price of oil comes down, I bet you might see the dollar regain some strength......maybe..... :lol:


REALLY NICK???? OPEN MOUTH INSERT FOOT!!!

[Nick McArthur]

I guess the sarcasm I tried to put in that statement could not be picked up over the internet.....just a jab at J K for stating the obvious....sorry you didn't get that....

[WhiteFeather]

I didn't know we were allowed to use sarcasm on the internet.

[jville goose killer]

The only way fuel will ever go down is if the government subsidizes some of the cost. In ALL the countries where the govrnment subsidizes fuel costs, the price of fuel is still less than a dollar. This is the same type of program as the way they handle electricity. The government owns or runs the power plants and picks up some of the tab for electricity cost.That will never happen in the US because we are spending somewhere around 850 million dollars a day in a place we will never fix on a war that in all actuality is POINTLESS. Our wonderful military is over there losing some of Americas finest everyday. Give these young people a break. If you want them to die for a country make our country worth dying for.

I am just going out on a limb here but I have a feeling that the majority of people who argue for Bush are very un-educated in the area of politics, due to the fact that they argue for high fuel prices, and it is not good to tax people on the amount of money they make, or the big one Gun control. Listen guys, I probably hunt as much as anyone. Lord thats how i paid for college, but as stated in an earlier post, if things keep going the way they have then we won't have to worry about guns because we won't be able to afford to buy anything. The main bottom line is that if you have any sense at all you will see that we are not the most prosperous country in the world like we once were and we need change. If you can't see that then you are blinded by your own stupidity. If you don't see the need for change then you are an idiot. What we have is not working, senseable thing is to do something different. Look at it like this if you hit your finger with a hammer, your are not going to look at it and hit it again in the same place to see if you get a different result, at least I wouldn't. I don't know about some of you people though.............

[NWPAScott]

The only way fuel will ever go down is if the government subsidizes some of the cost.

Where does the government get its money??? Taxes from you and I so we are still paying the bill and if you want to tax big corporations to pay for it remember they don't pay taxes they pass them on to the consumer...so yeah..we are still paying the bill.




I am just going out on a limb here but I have a feeling that the majority of people who argue for Bush are very un-educated in the area of politics

Idiotic assumption and who is arguing for Bush??? You liberals can't seem to get it in your head that he is NOT running for re-election.



due to the fact that they argue for high fuel prices

Who is arguing for that?



The main bottom line

As opposed to what? The secondary bottom line?



if you can't see that then you are blinded by your own stupidity. If you don't see the need for change then you are an idiot.

Resorting to name calling doesn't help your argument



What we have is not working, senseable thing is to do something different

If you are going to call people out as being uneducated at least run your rant through spell check.

Thats enough from me for now.. Nick and JK its all yours! :wink:

[WhiteFeather]

This argument is going nowhere. It doesn't matter who gets elected, people will be unhappy. I guess that is why we vote.



I, as I am sure most of you, have issues with both candidates but they are only a small part of the grand scheme of things.

[jville goose killer]

The only way fuel will ever go down is if the government subsidizes some of the cost.

Where does the government get its money??? Taxes from you and I so we are still paying the bill and if you want to tax big corporations to pay for it remember they don't pay taxes they pass them on to the consumer...so yeah..we are still paying the bill.




I am just going out on a limb here but I have a feeling that the majority of people who argue for Bush are very un-educated in the area of politics

Idiotic assumption and who is arguing for Bush??? You liberals can't seem to get it in your head that he is NOT running for re-election.



due to the fact that they argue for high fuel prices

Who is arguing for that?



The main bottom line

As opposed to what? The secondary bottom line?



if you can't see that then you are blinded by your own stupidity. If you don't see the need for change then you are an idiot.

Resorting to name calling doesn't help your argument



What we have is not working, senseable thing is to do something different

If you are going to call people out as being uneducated at least run your rant through spell check.
Thats enough from me for now.. Nick and JK its all yours! :wink:

Yes your right about everything just like everyone else on here. :roll: I am an idiot who knows absolutely nothing about the world and our country. I didn't use spell check and some of my grammer is bad, I really could give a **** less.If you can't argue with something solid don't even come to me with this crap, because I can go all day. I am not a smart man but I know when I am right and I know when I am wrong. I was not wrong in anything I posted, I said what i had to say and thats it. I have no other arguments, because no matter who says what this thread will never acomplish anything other than us bickering back and forth and no one ever being right or wrong. So as for this post it will be my last on this thread because like my grandmother always said, "In politics and religion there are no rights or wrongs, only opinions, opinions that we have the freedom to express." Wise words from some one that has more sense about our world than I do. On a broader scale, all of the people that rant and rave probably didn't vote the last time and are not old enough to vote this time. If you don't vote then you don't bitch. Thats a little rule of thumb that everyone follows around where I come from in Tennessee. I really don't care who anyone votes for and the only point i ever tried to get across was that Obama is a valid candidate. If he were not our Democratic Party would not have chosen him. The same goes for McCaine, the republicans would not have made him electable. Also I can only type around 6 words per minute and don't know what spell checker is, so if you want to use computer sophistication to make me look bad then you my friend are an IDIOT, because I don't care I can live my life without a computer, and the internet :!:

[rushcreekganderlander]

This argument is going nowhere. It doesn't matter who gets elected, people will be unhappy. I guess that is why we vote.



7 pages of bull**** between two sides and we finally get a winner. But God willing the next 8 years don't get any worse than the previous.

[WhiteFeather]

This argument is going nowhere. It doesn't matter who gets elected, people will be unhappy. I guess that is why we vote.



7 pages of bull**** between two sides and we finally get a winner. But God willing the next 8 years don't get any worse than the previous.


No kidding. My favorite bumper sticker of this campaign was this:

Hillary couldn't please her husband, how in the hell is she going to satisfy America?

[J Kryspin]

Nick - As much as you like to regurgitate the same stuff, it doesn't make you look any smarter by adding personal attacks and insults. Just in case you weren't aware.

Oh, that's right, since you have "Pro-Staff" in your signature line, that makes you a BMOC.

[mnbenelli]

Seven pages????????? Still haven't changed my mind! I do love all the mud slinging though!

[mlgorecki]

I do love all the mud slinging though!
Right on there Brother; however, this thread is beginning to constipate me. I'm out.