Look at this what a skybuster!!! Thoe they do get one!!!

[Foiles SMH1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FHKy9atHMM&feature=channel_page

Now that is a major Sky Buster!!!! Even thoe they did knock one down!!

[Gary]

thats how they shoot on the public ground by me !

[goosekiller83]

yup that is always happin on public land especially when your down river of someone who cant call and they start getting pissed

[jaysweet]

Looked like it was a sky rat.

[spiral_downfall]

though...not thoe

[Quackwhacker]

Wonder why birds get decoy/call shy????

[calling4life]

though...not thoe

UH OH.... I think we just dedicated 4 pages to this. :lol:

[waterfowler2422]

I have had people shoot ducks out of my deeks from 60 plus yards away.

[gunner7543]

ive seen worse, but still pretty bad

[Lockin "em" u]

look, the guy stood up shot once, one bird fell.....
skybustin????????????????????

If the birds are fallin they aint too tall.

I'd say he was just optimistic :D

[MudderGoose]

I don't know which part of the video is better. The guttural noises that old man gives when he leans over for his shootin' iron, "Hey, I got 'em", or the fact that he gives it three for good measure. Overall, much better post than than the Tim Grounds Mission Statement :idea:

Other than that it looks like a good hunt, the geese were clearly over his decoys :?:


I have had people shoot ducks out of my deeks from 60 plus yards away.

Why don't you try setting up further away from other hunters? 60yds doesn't sound like much of a buffer zone :?

[nitrousneil]

it aint skybustin if your killin them!!!

[SBE II]

it aint skybustin if your killin them!!!

Things that make you go hmmmmmm....How many birds end up with a pellet in them, just cuz their still flying doesn't mean they aren't dying.

[KShonker]

looks like a good shot. I assume everybody on here has taken a shot or two that would be considered sky busting?

[BadCaller]

If you watch there is one lone bird flying low.

[Locked&Landing]

Even though it fell, that is still sky bustin....But lets be honest here.
We've all done it, and even knocked birds down. The problem is when people make a habit out of it, and think they can knock em down cosistantly at that range.

[John Manning]

[quote="MudderGoose"] Overall, much better post than than the Tim Grounds Mission Statement :idea:



+1 Well put!

[BadCaller]

Your not looking if you can not see that low flyer. Do you feel shooting at 60 and 70 yards is sky busting???? Seems to me that guy used total instinct on that bird and hit it. I would like to talk about how he missed it on the water the first shot. That can only come from not having your Pshooter set up and patterned like most. I guess all he needed was a PM ported choke tube and a 3.5" would have done the job right.

I watched some waterfowling videos and I hate to break it to you but for a guy that is shooting Ducks in the face and hitting the body with an over choked gun sucks as a shooter. But they laugh at the hit, I laugh cause they are ****ty shots and many here admire it those hits. Now if they were taking there heads off at those short ranges I would say that's a good shooter.

[Locked&Landing]

Badcaller...I did watch it closely, and I did see the low flyer. I don't think that bird was all that much lower than the others. Lower yes, but how much? Who knows.
To me, thats still a very questionable shot for me to take....98% of the time, I'll let em fly without bothering them.
It was pretty funny how he missed it in the drink though.

[bck1006]

Thats what they do in arkansas and it is full of them!!!!

[Gary]

Your not looking if you can not see that low flyer. Do you feel shooting at 60 and 70 yards is sky busting???? Seems to me that guy used total instinct on that bird and hit it. I would like to talk about how he missed it on the water the first shot. That can only come from not having your Pshooter set up and patterned like most. I guess all he needed was a PM ported choke tube and a 3.5" would have done the job right.

I watched some waterfowling videos and I hate to break it to you but for a guy that is shooting Ducks in the face and hitting the body with an over choked gun sucks as a shooter. But they laugh at the hit, I laugh cause they are ****ty shots and many here admire it those hits. Now if they were taking there heads off at those short ranges I would say that's a good shooter.if i got guys with me there is no way i even let them shoot 60-70yards , if they arn't in my face , then i let them fly , i strive to get them in close and if there not then i make an adjustment to my set up or calling.i will admit i have shot at those ranges and only cause it was a bird that made it through the spread but was already hit .

[BadCaller]

if i got guys with me there is no way i even let them shoot 60-70yards If they could do it consistanly would you let them then?

That bird is alot lower than you think and I would advise anyone waterfowling that they should learn to determine distance. Look at the wings on the flock, there still powering up. Part of Fowling is not just about taking a poke at a bird one needs to ID a bird which many can not do, determine that flight pattern and knowing that split second to shoot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/boxbirder/2009/Low.jpg

[FishandFeathers]

welcome to New York. I love to watch guys and oiutfitters by me do stuff like that all day long..........

[Locked&Landing]

if i got guys with me there is no way i even let them shoot 60-70yards If they could do it consistanly would you let them then?

That bird is alot lower than you think and I would advise anyone waterfowling that they should learn to determine distance. Look at the wings on the flock, there still powering up. Part of Fowling is not just about taking a poke at a bird one needs to ID a bird which many can not do, determine that flight pattern and knowing that split second to shoot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/boxbirder/2009/Low.jpg

I am very familiar with distances and especially Identification
and I would have NEVER shot at that bird. Like I said before, the bird was lower yes. Just my personal prefferance I guess.

One of the main reasons is that that guy was lucky, that bird could have soared a couple hundred yards beyond him, and YOU know they wouldn't have gone to look for it.

[BadCaller]

Locked&Landing
You ever hear of the Nilo Farm's test??? How far do you feel is the efective range of a shotgun? What do you feel is the yardage most hunters feel comfortable shooting at? Hevi-Shot is about the best shot to come down the pike, is it costly yes but take everything into consideration what it costs to hunt and it really isn't.
I feel that many hunters do not take the time to understand how a shotgun patterns at different ranges. I guess that is why I always debate the studded choke belief. There is no scientific evidence to support it but many believe it. But if we want a tight pattern for long range shooting we want a buffered payload with a slightly slit wad to stop pellets from getting deformed.

[freefall319]

I'd have no problem taking a 60 yard shot with my 10 ga as long as there was no way i could decoy them.

[BadCaller]

freefall319 I see your from Cali is the 10ga still banned in certain areas out there??

[Red14]

I will openly admit I'm no firearm expert and do not have any experience with ballistics or the physics behind it. I will agree that there are quite a few hunters that put in 3 1/2's and think they can bring down 747's. I am not a great shot and do not spend the extra cash for hevi shot or black cloud or overly expensive choke tubes. I shoot a Carlson's extended and Winchester HV but believe in taking the time to pattern your gun.
I believe it's my responsibility to only shoot at birds that I feel I can kill effectively. I do my best to only shoot birds that decoy in and put the landing gear down. A few of the guys that I hunt with give me **** all the time because I'm picky when it comes to calling the shot. My thinking is that if everyone was a bit pickier when calling the shot can you imagine the impact it might have on the way bird’s decoy? Just my opinion but strongly believe 3/4's of our sport is fooling the birds into committing by taking the time to set up and effective spread and trying to constantly improve our calling abilities.

[Gary]

Locked&Landing
You ever hear of the Nilo Farm's test??? How far do you feel is the efective range of a shotgun? What do you feel is the yardage most hunters feel comfortable shooting at? Hevi-Shot is about the best shot to come down the pike, is it costly yes but take everything into consideration what it costs to hunt and it really isn't.
I feel that many hunters do not take the time to understand how a shotgun patterns at different ranges. I guess that is why I always debate the studded choke belief. There is no scientific evidence to support it but many believe it. But if we want a tight pattern for long range shooting we want a buffered payload with a slightly slit wad to stop pellets from getting deformed.even if someone shoots those ranges all the time , i still wouldn't let them do it with me , i like putting the percentages in my favor . if it isn't there then were not shooting . on a personal note , i also shoot hevi-shot on occassion but i never let my shell i'm shooting determine the shot i'm taking at a bird. meaning {brand of shell not pellet ect.} i belive these shells and chokes give people the feeling that they can take these shots. i have shot clays at these ranges and feel comfortable doing it ! i just like the chance at a kill shot instead of cripple or miss , plus it is more of a challenge to decoy a bird then to put some rounds in the air at 60-70yards .

[BadCaller]

I am certain that a few here think I am off the wall with this. I spend countless hours handloading, working with differnt buffers powders, wads, hulls. To me it's the tech part that I enjoy. Do I like to shoot ducks in the face YOU BET. I also enjoy that art of shotgunning also. When I went to the US crazy quail shoot that is when I got into long yardage shooting.

Crazy quail is a when the bird is placed in PVC tube and launched behind a huge burst of air like a pumkin cannon, some shots are easy 60-70 yards. The first time I went I watched some guys just rock'em. I studied the way these guys would shoot and grabbed there ears all day long. From there is was off to the national duck shoot in TX. 2 ducks released at 45-55 yards like a low and high house. I watched several guys shoot 2 with 1 round. I asked where there learned this and it was explained the Market Hunters used single shots trying to line the birds up to get as many as possible with one shot.

Generally when I shoot at that yardage it's with 1 friend of mine who has the patience to sit there and know he might not get a shot. I love nothing more when geese are commited working my way from the furthest to the closest. Isn't that why the English use 2 triggers to take advantage of there chokes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/boxbirder/2009/tower.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/boxbirder/2009/WILL-HIGH.jpg

[Locked&Landing]

Locked&Landing
You ever hear of the Nilo Farm's test??? How far do you feel is the efective range of a shotgun? What do you feel is the yardage most hunters feel comfortable shooting at? Hevi-Shot is about the best shot to come down the pike, is it costly yes but take everything into consideration what it costs to hunt and it really isn't.
I feel that many hunters do not take the time to understand how a shotgun patterns at different ranges. I guess that is why I always debate the studded choke belief. There is no scientific evidence to support it but many believe it. But if we want a tight pattern for long range shooting we want a buffered payload with a slightly slit wad to stop pellets from getting deformed.


Badcaller...I am not going to sit here and try and pull fly **** out of pepper.

I shoot hevi-shot all season long, at ducks and geese. My guns are patterned with factory chokes...I use to use a PM, and I agree with you. I cannot see the difference, so I sold it.

My range is MAXIMUM 50yds..ON EVERYTHING. If they are further, then I pull the call out again and try and work em. If they decide to respond by comming into my range, Great. If they don't , well then let em go for another day.

It personally makes me sick to see a bird soar into the woods, or along way in the water, knowing that they wont be retrieved, or ever tried to be retreived, from the jackass that took a 70 yard shot because either he dont know distance, or because he took the shot for the hell of it.

I commend your studies and understand that you put alot of time into doing so. But I am with Gary..I will never let the shell or load determine the distances on which I can shoot.

[MudderGoose]

I am certain that a few here think I am off the wall with this. I spend countless hours handloading, working with differnt buffers powders, wads, hulls. To me it's the tech part that I enjoy. Do I like to shoot ducks in the face YOU BET. I also enjoy that art of shotgunning also.

Different strokes for different folks. From reading not only these posts but others of yours, it's obvious you love to do a ton of shooting and know your stuff. One of my best friends and hunting partners is the same way. He loves to come out and watch the birds work, but really loves to puff one at 60 too. If that's fun to someone that can shoot, big deal, I don't see a problem with it. I love shooting birds close more than anything, but I'd be a liar to say that it's not fun to stretch one out every once in a while. I also think that half the guys that say otherwise are full of ****.



if i got guys with me there is no way i even let them shoot 60-70yards

I get to hunt with lots of different folks and I'm not in the habit of calling "questionable" shots. However, if I'm familiar with a guy and equally if not more importantly the time is right, I don't really see a problem with letting a good shooter try to make a longer shot. A skilled shooter, which I am not, can kill a goose as cleanly at 50 yards as most Joe's can at 20. .02 in the bucket

[SBE II]

To me if your constantly shooting birds 45+ yards, you don't know how to hunt birds. There's a reason why they say pattern a gun on a 30" circle at 30 yards, that's when it's most effective. Yes hevi-shot is more dense and has more down range power. But 50-60 yards all the time is stupid and the shot this guy made was dumb especially when he was like, I got it!

To add, it took nearly 6 full seconds for that bird to drop, and it also shows how much of a good shot he is when he had to shoot at it twice on the water. Sorry, but this is skybusting at it's best.

[spaightlabs]

anyone can kill 'em at 10 yards - takes a shooter to get it done at 50 plus. :wink:

not at all uncommon to crumble snows at 70 plus - they're softer than Canadas. If you are shooting a tight pattern and a shell that still has penetrating power at that range it's very doable.

I don't advocate shooting into flocks at long distance as there is likely to be too much collateral damage/wounding, but a straight overhead single at 50 - those can be a lot of fun.

[timberkiller]

i shot a snow over 80 yards

[SBE II]

i shot a snow over 80 yards

You should get an award!!

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[BadCaller]

I do enjoy shooting them in the face also. When they are up there with the oxygen mask on I also like to take em. Is it an art yes, is it something I do every morning when hunting NO. It takes time since you need that straggler not in the same flight pattern as the others. I pull these shots when I am field hunting so the dogs can mark them. If we are out goose hunting I like to pull that shot on a come back. You know when they are trying to find there mate deal.

I do however know that the average bird is shot less than 31 yards, with an average of 4 shots to get a bird. That is the national average, maybe since this is a calling site the % is higher on shot to kill ratio, I know my buddy who is 26 years my senior needs a clean up shot here and there as he is getting older.

I am going to end this conversation since I don't want to start a war as I to do not enjoy sky busters. All I can say is this start shooting skeet and sporting clays with a full choke over the summer. Don't let anyone talk you out of it. But when the fall comes with doing your homework it will yeild dividends of confidence and less cripples. Also try hunting with 1 shell in your gun believe me you'll make every shot count. 8)

[freefall319]

freefall319 I see your from Cali is the 10ga still banned in certain areas out there??

Only on the Refuge's. Outside of those areas you can use them.

[h20fowler]

"As an end case, consider the duck hunter, sitting in a steel boat behind composition decoys. A put-put motor has brought him to the blind without exercise. Canned heat stands by to warm him in case of a chilling wind. He talks to the passing flocks on a factory caller, in what he hopes are seductive tones; home lessons from a phonograph record have taught him how. The decoys work, despite the caller, and the flock circles in. It must be shot before it circles twice for the marsh bristles with other sportsmen, similarly accoutered, who might shoot first. He opens up at 70 yards for his polychoke is set for infinity, and the advertisements have told him that Super-Z shells, and plenty of them, have a long reach. The flock flares. A couple of cripples scale off to die elsewhere. Is this sportsman absorbing cultural value? Or is he just feeding minks? The next blind opens up at 75 yards; how else is a fellow to get some shooting? This is duck hunting, current model. It is typical of all public grounds and of many clubs. Where is the go-light idea, the one-bullet tradition?”

Aldo Leopold
The Journal of Wildlife Management, Vol. 7, No. 1, 1-6. Jan., 1943

[Red14]

I like it h20fowler... So true...

[spaightlabs]

Aldo Leopold was just pissed cuz he's lousy shot, guy couldn't hit a goose if it was flat footed 5 feet in front of him when I hunted with him.

[MORiverman]

"
look, the guy stood up shot once, one bird fell.....
skybustin????????????????????

If the birds are fallin they aint too tall.

I'd say he was just optimistic :D"





You are and the guy on the video are the kinda of hunters that this sport doesn't need. why don't you actually challenge yourself by trying to get the birds right over your decoys instead of makin the birds call shy and decoy shy by shootin at em a mile high. This is what ruins it for all of us.