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jstbob
04-06-2009, 11:14 PM
Im gettin tired of all the brewha about cutler. he's good but, a franchise quarterback? I dont think hes that good. Watchin some replays on nfl network he was makin grossman fumbles. And I loved orton, griese if they wouldve stayed healthy. Ill give him a chance. after pre season Ill have a better perspective.

What do you think?

Gary
04-06-2009, 11:21 PM
i think he's better then orton could dream of being ,and ur only as good as ur receivers allow u to b

jstbob
04-06-2009, 11:48 PM
I think the wr's are awesome. but the bears are takin on 3 or 4 more which could be good. What is good is cutler can throw 60 yards to hester. thats gonna open a whole lot of field.

Gary
04-07-2009, 07:31 AM
i really think the bears will be better off

ThePreacher
04-07-2009, 08:20 AM
I think the wr's are awesome. but the bears are takin on 3 or 4 more which could be good. What is good is cutler can throw 60 yards to hester. thats gonna open a whole lot of field.


Hester still has to catch the ball... He is also your number 2 WR which is not good.

Gary
04-07-2009, 08:44 AM
could be worse ! u could have braylan edwards who is probowl one year then leads the nfl in dropped passes the following year , and is affraid of the middle of the feild

ThePreacher
04-07-2009, 09:34 AM
could be worse ! u could have braylan edwards who is probowl one year then leads the nfl in dropped passes the following year , and is affraid of the middle of the feild


How many QB's started for the Browns last year? FOUR! You tell me if that doesn't mess with chemistry between the two positions.

Edwards is a #1 WR and Hester is a special teamer, end of story.

dirtycletus81
04-07-2009, 10:22 AM
My theory is that Orton needed a vet to come in and give him some direction. He didn't have anyone good to give him advice. I know that a great QB would be able to come in and do awesome without needing help, but he has the making s of a great QB. He did great when he played for Purdue. He didn't have that vet presence he had D-Bag #1 Rex Grossman. I wouldn't let Grossman QB my nephew's Pop Warner team. I don't know about Cutler because the way that it was described to me is that Cutler was acting like a baby at the end of his stay with Denver, and we don't need that in Chicago. How long will it be before he pulls that in Chicago?

dirtycletus81
04-07-2009, 10:24 AM
How many QB's started for the Browns last year? FOUR! You tell me if that doesn't mess with chemistry between the two positions.

Edwards is a #1 WR and Hester is a special teamer, end of story.


Brady should have had the job from the start. LET'S GO IRISH! You are right about Hester. Not productive since they made him a WR.

Gary
04-07-2009, 10:33 AM
How many QB's started for the Browns last year? FOUR! You tell me if that doesn't mess with chemistry between the two positions.

Edwards is a #1 WR and Hester is a special teamer, end of story.1 started every game except 4or5 , what excuse does he have for all the other games or the fact that he's affraid of getting hit . winslow was a better receiver then braylon and he's a te , braylon made alot of money to catch not drop the ball , he has the talent as he proved the first year . i heard of slumps but not for the whole year . but yes hester should of stayed on special teams

deadduck6
04-07-2009, 10:43 AM
with the money they make it shouldnt matter who throws the ball.

thank god im a steelers fan!!!!!!!!

ThePreacher
04-07-2009, 11:23 AM
1 started every game except 4or5 , what excuse does he have for all the other games or the fact that he's affraid of getting hit . winslow was a better receiver then braylon and he's a te , braylon made alot of money to catch not drop the ball , he has the talent as he proved the first year . i heard of slumps but not for the whole year . but yes hester should of stayed on special teams


HE PLAYS FOR THE BROWNS!!! They were 4-12. Kellen Winslow was not a better WR as the stats prove. It is easy to key in on one player when the #2 WR is actually your TE and production drops off horribly after that. Donte Stallworth would have been considered their #2 option, he had like 19 receptions.

As for dropped passes, look at the list of most dropped passes. You see names like Dwayne Bowe, Terrell Owens, Brandon Marshall, Calvin Johnson, etc. What say you?

In case you were wondering, Derek Anderson started 9 games, Brady Quinn started 3 games, Ken Dorsey started 3 games and Bruce Gradkowski started 1 game.

jrode237
04-07-2009, 03:48 PM
This coming from a Packers fan. You guys have upgraded the quarterback position by 100%. You still need someone to throw the ball to though. Hester is at best a #2 and that may be stretching it. Also, Hester isn't gonna sprint down the field every play to catch the long-ball. I think your tight end (Olsen???) is going to be Cutler's favorite target. As far as complaining about Braylon Edwards for the browns...He is a number one receiver even with the dropped passes. He'll rebound this year and have a great season. They need stability at quarterback and if Quinn can stay healthy he's got the talent to be good.

Gary
04-07-2009, 04:48 PM
HE PLAYS FOR THE BROWNS!!! They were 4-12. Kellen Winslow was not a better WR as the stats prove. It is easy to key in on one player when the #2 WR is actually your TE and production drops off horribly after that. Donte Stallworth would have been considered their #2 option, he had like 19 receptions.

As for dropped passes, look at the list of most dropped passes. You see names like Dwayne Bowe, Terrell Owens, Brandon Marshall, Calvin Johnson, etc. What say you?

In case you were wondering, Derek Anderson started 9 games, Brady Quinn started 3 games, Ken Dorsey started 3 games and Bruce Gradkowski started 1 game.i was guessin , either way the only good game he had was against the giants , he just needs his mind in another place other then crying about being singled out do to being from michigan ,infact the whole teams was somewhere else . superbowl this year:D:D:D

Gary
04-07-2009, 04:52 PM
HE PLAYS FOR THE BROWNS!!! They were 4-12. Kellen Winslow was not a better WR as the stats prove. It is easy to key in on one player when the #2 WR is actually your TE and production drops off horribly after that. Donte Stallworth would have been considered their #2 option, he had like 19 receptions.

As for dropped passes, look at the list of most dropped passes. You see names like Dwayne Bowe, Terrell Owens, Brandon Marshall, Calvin Johnson, etc. What say you?

In case you were wondering, Derek Anderson started 9 games, Brady Quinn started 3 games, Ken Dorsey started 3 games and Bruce Gradkowski started 1 game.as far as stalworth , they never did hit him , juravisius was another key they released , as far as stats i couldn't see from december on and was going by news .

ThePreacher
04-07-2009, 06:44 PM
Jurevicious was hurt all last year. Does a #1 WR need to have 150 yards to be considered a good game?


The Bears still need a WR or Cutler was a waste of money.

legband
04-07-2009, 10:18 PM
ive always liked cutler,hes still young too as long as he stays healthy the bears are gonna be glad they got him.I was hoping the vikes would get him or cassel from NE but we didnt get either.We are still stuck with tavaris jackson Yippeee if they dont get a better qb soon im gonna be a bears or packers fan...lol

Gary
04-08-2009, 08:35 AM
espn said the browns will probably try to pick up crabtree in the draft to build quinns confidence , and since braylon had his issues and his contract is up this year , hope he can perform to his level this year .him and patton or payton from the patriots are all we have left

ThePreacher
04-08-2009, 08:44 AM
espn said the browns will probably try to pick up crabtree in the draft to build quinns confidence , and since braylon had his issues and his contract is up this year , hope he can perform to his level this year .him and patton or payton from the patriots are all we have left



He should be available. I can see them shopping Edwards for another first round pick.

Gary
04-08-2009, 09:00 AM
He should be available. I can see them shopping Edwards for another first round pick.local news said unless ur cribbs or dequell jackson ur availiable , this new couch is something else , they release jaraviciuos then a couple days later stahlworth kills a man , are focus for the draft was defense , after some releaseing we need help everywhere !

jstbob
04-08-2009, 07:29 PM
I wish the bears kept moose. he rocked in carolina last year

jstbob
04-08-2009, 07:34 PM
The bears have manning to return the ball. He wont break hesters records but he will be great this year. Hester is in summer camp right now workin on his routes. He'll turn some heads this year.

ThePreacher
04-09-2009, 08:38 AM
The bears have manning to return the ball. He wont break hesters records but he will be great this year. Hester is in summer camp right now workin on his routes. He'll turn some heads this year.


Hester turns heads on Special Teams.

jrode237
04-09-2009, 02:57 PM
Hester turns heads on Special Teams.
And that's about it...

etmccain
04-10-2009, 11:07 AM
The bears have manning to return the ball. He wont break hesters records but he will be great this year. Hester is in summer camp right now workin on his routes. He'll turn some heads this year.


Hester is best used on Special Teams...hes probably the best return man of all-time and only been in the league a very short time...he scares the crap out of opposing special teams so much that coaches spend a lot of time figuring out effective ways to kick around him...Manning will be a busted rubber compared to Hester returning

jrode237
04-10-2009, 08:23 PM
"best return man of all time" I would have to disagree. Yes he is good but has not had the career of say, Brian Mitchell who I believe owns the record for most return yardage of all time (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

J.J Parks
04-11-2009, 12:04 AM
"best return man of all time" I would have to disagree. Yes he is good but has not had the career of say, Brian Mitchell who I believe owns the record for most return yardage of all time (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
He hasn't played near the amount as Mitchell either. Hester broke the single season record for return touchdowns in his rookie year. The only reason he didn't keep following that up was because people started kicking away from him. I actually think that in the past 10 years we have seen 3 of the greatest returners, Hester, Dante Hall, and this goes way back to the late 90's early 2000's, Jermaine Lewis. These guys were sensational. I would say Hester definitely is the best returner of all time though.

Bears could pick up a another great returner and another deep threat in Darrius Heyward-Bay, a burner from the University of Maryland. Heyward-Bay was a projected mid-early 2nd round pick but moved up on a lot of teams boards when he ran the fastest 40 time in the combine. I could still see him falling to the second round though.
Hakeem Nicks from UNC would also be a solid choice, having outstanding hands

ThePreacher
04-11-2009, 11:15 AM
He hasn't played near the amount as Mitchell either. Hester broke the single season record for return touchdowns in his rookie year. The only reason he didn't keep following that up was because people started kicking away from him. I actually think that in the past 10 years we have seen 3 of the greatest returners, Hester, Dante Hall, and this goes way back to the late 90's early 2000's, Jermaine Lewis. These guys were sensational. I would say Hester definitely is the best returner of all time though.

You have to take into account Brian Mitchell in the return game. He has to be on anyones top list for kick returners. 14,000+ yards worth of kick returns and nearly 5K yards of punt returns(both records). 13 special teams touchdowns are a record too. 4 seasons over 2000 total yards.



Bears could pick up a another great returner and another deep threat in Darrius Heyward-Bay, a burner from the University of Maryland. Heyward-Bay was a projected mid-early 2nd round pick but moved up on a lot of teams boards when he ran the fastest 40 time in the combine. I could still see him falling to the second round though.
Hakeem Nicks from UNC would also be a solid choice, having outstanding hands

DHB would be a great pick up if he falls that far. I have seen more than one mock having him going to the Raiders(Al Davis special). Nicks would also be likely to go in the first round. Of course these are mock drafts but there are teams that need talent at WR.

J.J Parks
04-11-2009, 04:44 PM
I understand Mitchell was a good returner, but in 2 years, Hester was only 2 short of his touchdown record and got pulled from special teams. That is amazing in my eyes.

jlog2483
04-11-2009, 09:19 PM
come on guys lets get through baseball season first.