Ticks me off

[SBE II]

This is BS why not lengthen the season up the bag limit from 3-5 in the regular season before they just go killing them off. Let me be the executioner!

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090610/METRO/906100421/1361/Official--Canada-goose-kills-likely-in-southeast-Michigan

[hoyt]

goverment think at its best, why would they try to relocate them. Geese can migrate thousands of mile and still make it back to the same spot, so moving them 50 miles wont do nothing, and now they arer gonna pay people to roung them up and kill them....DUMB..........open up someprivate land access and jack the bag limit up and let some people have fun!

[BigR]

1. 2% of Urban Geese Get Shot in the state of Michigan that are re-released.

2. By the time Regular Season is around, 85% of those geese are about 4 states South of Here, so a more liberal limit will do no good.

3. There is alot more going on than just euthanizing a few geese. That program is paid for through hunter and fisherman's dollars, yet it benefits people that live on Lakes, golfcourses, and condo developments that bitch about a few geese and don't like it. Sportsman's dollars are paying for intolerance of wildlife from the general public.

The non hunting public have developed this stigma of geese are just a nuisance specie. You buy a house on a lake, you move to the country, the geese show up and crap on your lawn that summer and what do they do? Call a nuisance control company to come and round them up and relocate them and/or destroy the nests. They are not a tolerated specie anymore and are becoming a pest to most, when the geese were on the Lakes and Ponds long before some city slicker came and bought a place. How do you reinstate the value of the Canada Goose? Start euthanizing a few and those same people are going to be less likely to use a service if they know their goose is going to go on the chopping block or that there is even a remote chance of it. So if you take a minute and look at it, there is a very serious possibility that this program in the long run will benefit sportsman by 1. Creating more geese in some areas, 2. Saving sportsmens dollars to be used in more beneficial areas.

I hope this sheds some light for you

[BigR]

goverment think at its best, why would they try to relocate them. Geese can migrate thousands of mile and still make it back to the same spot, so moving them 50 miles wont do nothing, and now they arer gonna pay people to roung them up and kill them....DUMB..........open up someprivate land access and jack the bag limit up and let some people have fun!


Get your facts straight, the Government does not pay anyone to round them up.

However, they do spend alot of man hours to relocate the nuisance geese, clip their wings so they don't immediately take off and fly, and no, many of them do not return to the site.

States don't mandate the bag limit, so that is out of their control and wouldn't do crap and how in the hell does the government have anything to do with opening up Private Land Access? 99% of these geese are in the HEART of Urban Areas. Want to talk about having restrictions put on hunters??? Let's open up a season in Urban areas, how much negative press do you think hunters would get from that?

[BigR]

Here is the official Press release and I want to encourage any Sportsmen that wants to voice their opinion on this matter or any other waterfowl matter to write letters or send emails, Sportsmen's voices and opinions are not heard often enough in Waterfowl Matters, except on avenues like the forum
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DNR to Take Additional Actions to Address Human-Goose Conflicts
The Department of Natural Resources says it is likely that lethal means will be necessary to address nuisance Canada goose populations in parts of southeast Michigan this year. Increasing conflicts with landowners and a lack of suitable relocation sites leaves no other alternative.
Adult geese that are removed from the population will likely be processed for human consumption and distributed to charitable organizations through the Sportsmen Against Hunger program.
"The use of these birds by charitable organizations which assist needy people is an excellent way to have a positive outcome from this unfortunate conflict situation," said DNR Wildlife Division Chief Russ Mason.
Michigan’s estimated spring population of resident Canada geese has increased from 9,000 in 1970 to 201,000 in 2009. Although the population is within Wildlife Division’s desired statewide goal, human-goose conflicts continue to increase, primarily in urban and suburban areas.
"As humans create optimal habitat of manicured lawns along shorelines and geese have adapted to living in these landscapes, conflicts increase," explained DNR waterfowl specialist Barb Avers.
Michigan has had a long and successful human-goose conflict program. The program includes the use of harassment and aversion techniques such as scare devices, landscape alterations, fencing, and harassment with dogs.
"If these techniques are not successful, Michigan has permitted the round-up and transfer of geese to new locations," Avers said. "In certain urban areas, especially in southeast Michigan, permits have also been issued for the destruction of goose nests and eggs in an effort to control goose numbers."
The number of sites participating in the Canada Goose Roundup Program has increased significantly in recent years. In past years, the DNR has been able to relocate some geese to other states as well as to various in-state sites, based on criteria such as suitable water and food resources, legal hunting opportunities, limited proximity to agricultural crops, and limited likelihood of causing additional human-goose conflicts. However, in-state release sites are limited and no other states have requested Michigan’s geese this year.
"For these reasons, it is likely that some adult geese captured from some southeast Michigan sites will be killed in 2009," Avers said. "Only sites that currently participate in both Canada goose nest/egg destruction and roundup/transfer activities will be slated for the lethal removal of geese. These are sites where people have attempted several control activities and are still having conflicts."
The DNR encourages landowners to increase their tolerance of Canada geese to reduce human-goose conflicts in situations where there are no human safety or health threats.
The DNR is committed to the conservation, protection, management, use and enjoyment of the state’s natural resources for current and future generations.
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[legband]

Im fine with them moving them..but im not fine with them killing them..There is no reason for that..there should be an early goose season with very high 10-20 bird limit or even no limit before they go that route..Just because some sissys move out of town and get shi* on there yard...I dont like the sissys that dont like the geese but u dont see me killing the sissys just because i dont like them..

[cutt em]

Do you have a nuisence season in michigan?

[BigR]

Hey Legband, get pissed at the Minnesota DNR....they have been killing geese for years and feed them to the wolves at the Zoo and at a research center, at least ours are going through Sportsman Against Hunger and for the needy folks out there....Thats a fact, several hundred if not thousand a year in wolves bellys.

There is about 15 years of steady banding records from several thousand "urban" geese that were banded and let go in the same spot, of those geese banded, 2% ever get harvested, of that 2%, only .5 are in Michigan...So a 20 bird limit would do nothing more than screw the coming years populations.

I must say when I first heard it I wasn't the happiest, but I think if people saw what the MDNR spends on this program and now what they are going to be saving and the potential benefits to the longterm health of Michigan's goose population, it will all work out in the end. The DNR is simply trying to be Proactive instead of being reactive anymore and just letting people get what they want (i.e. whiners on Lakes and in Urban areas).

[legband]

Im not to happy with the minnesota dnr either, at least they are considering giving us 1 more bird during the regular season..this thread was about michigan not minnesota..i dont agree with either..By having a higher limit and allowing hunters to kill more birds would hurt the population for next year according to you,but the DNR killing them and wrecking nests wont?

[BigR]

Im not to happy with the minnesota dnr either, at least they are considering giving us 1 more bird during the regular season..this thread was about michigan not minnesota..i dont agree with either..By having a higher limit and allowing hunters to kill more birds would hurt the population for next year according to you,but the DNR killing them and wrecking nests wont?

OK....

The Issue is--Human Goose Conflicts, which are caused by Local Resident Michigan Geese.

Many of these Resident geese reside in the city limits 365 days a year and the ones that don't, many leave prior to the Regular Season, nearly 20 years of banding data shows this very clearly.

So NO, a more liberal limit in the REGULAR season will not do anything to the LOCAL population that is causing the problem.

Nest/Egg Destruction (Which occurs only in Southeast Michigan and two other small sites in Michigan), only happens to Nuisance Urban/Residential Geese and Lakes that are not HUNTABLE. So you are keeping the population in check and aren't killing anymore geese, just keeping it at a sustained population the Lake considers "good".

States do not set Bag Limits, The US Fish and Wildlife Service does. States make recommendations to the Feds and they then tell them what the framework is.

In Minnesota, you guys are hunting almost completely different flocks of geese seperate from the MVP and St. James Populations we hunt in Michigan. You are located at a different position of the flyway and Minnesota has totally different issues to deal with, mainly centered around Minneapolis/St. Paul and Rochester.

We are talking about Southeast Michigan birds being euthanized, not just random birds from the state. This is the first year in about 15 Michigan hasn't shipped Geese to other states. They shipped over 5,000 Canada Geese to Kentucky alone last year. Other states where shipments have been made are: Iowa, Missouri, Oklahoma, Indiana, and Illinois. This year no one wants geese, there is a tremendous nuisance goose issue in Southeast Michigan, and there are no spots left in Michigan to move geese from the Southeast, other than making a 12 hour drive to the UP, which if you do the Math Einstein, wouldn't be too cheap.

[BigR]

Do you have a nuisence season in michigan?


We do not have a Nuisance Season persay, but we have an "Early Season" which is designed to harvest mainly local birds and molt migrants (which alot are "nuisance" geese or at too high of numbers for a healthy population.

This year the framework recommendation is September 1st-15th and a 5 bird limit once again.

Michigan posesses the power to open the early season the entire Month of August. No Hunters have really supported this for several reasons, a few being: Heat, not many spots to hunt, and the amount of human-human negative interactions it would cause. In August most of the geese are loafing on Lakes and at that same time you have tourists, locals, and weekends by the thousands using those same lakes....it would just be asking for trouble.

[legband]

You would think instead of killing them and there is no where to move them they would give them to other states that dont have as many..same as the dnr's and game and fish swap fish and other animals and fish species. We have alot of goose problems around rochester and they are right in the middle of the city in the grass and parking lots. I see them there all the time. They arent hurting anything. Just kinda makes me mad they kill them. Even though its been going on for quite a while now. Those damn deer do more damage than the geese. They can kill all them deer far as im concerned. Or leave just a few to thin out the goose hunters a bit so i can smash em y they are chasin them stupid deer around

[BigR]

You would think instead of killing them and there is no where to move them they would give them to other states that dont have as many..same as the dnr's and game and fish swap fish and other animals and fish species. We have alot of goose problems around rochester and they are right in the middle of the city in the grass and parking lots. I see them there all the time. They arent hurting anything. Just kinda makes me mad they kill them. Even though its been going on for quite a while now. Those damn deer do more damage than the geese. They can kill all them deer far as im concerned. Or leave just a few to thin out the goose hunters a bit so i can smash em y they are chasin them stupid deer around


They tried getting states to let us haul them in, no one wants them and as far as the Game swapping, there is nothing we need to swap at the moment and an ol' goose doesn't carry a ton of collateral for swapping anyhow!

[legband]

You guys need more deer? Minnesota will trade you some deer for your hot blondes :)

[SBE II]

Dude the last thing we need is more deer. Guys will be out whacking them soon for farmers. They have another doe season now. Wish we would have a law where you have to shoot two does before you get a buck tag. The blondes, you can have them, their all grain fed here.:D

[legband]

I wish they would make a law where you can shoot as many as you want anytime of year. You shoot 6 of them sobs in the south eastern counties of mn but thats still not enough.Put the blondes on the next bus. :)

[BigR]

Dude the last thing we need is more deer. Guys will be out whacking them soon for farmers. They have another doe season now. Wish we would have a law where you have to shoot two does before you get a buck tag. The blondes, you can have them, their all grain fed here.:D


Hell yea, Kid Rock said it Best..."Big Corn Fred Midwestern Hoes" Best Kind there is...I saw one yesterday on my way home from work, blonde, tan, and in a bikini on a John Deer 40 horse mowing. I about rolled my car trying to look, I can't believe the ol' farmer let her out of the house that way....Age was questionable, she could've been anywhere from 18-30 and I pray no younger than that.

We have 1.7 Million Deer in Michigan, number two in the state, knocking on number 1's door, more deer is the last thing we need.

Earn a buck tag would be great, its hard to convince the old timers of the need to shoot does....its been engrained in their brains, especially up north, that you aren't a man if you don't shoot a buck...They would rather shoot a 4 inch spike yearling, than a nice big fat doe.

[legband]

I dont deer hunt,pretty much just geese and ducks. One thing i know is im sick of seeing them damn things on the roads at nite. I though about getting and old truck putting i big as* cattle guard on the front and driving around at nite about 80 mph

[Just Hunt]

Leave it up to the Know Nothing government:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[BigR]

Leave it up to the Know Nothing government:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Who do you want to call the shots then, The loudmouth Rednecks?

"Yea I say we need to shoot dem der 20 geese so I can be a bigger man"

[BigR]

I dont deer hunt,pretty much just geese and ducks. One thing i know is im sick of seeing them damn things on the roads at nite. I though about getting and old truck putting i big as* cattle guard on the front and driving around at nite about 80 mph


Thats always been a dream of mine, I'd like to be in a semi and plaster a herd of them.

I've hit two deer and now in the fall or anytime really I almost have a fear of driving sometimes....

I commute 60 miles to and from work, the other morning I decided to do a count on the stretch of 2 lane state highway....in 60 miles I counted 26 deer hit and smashed.

[legband]

sounds like you guys have just as many if not more deer than we do..I bet the insurance companies are all for a deer slaughter

[SBE II]

Actually the farmers are. One of the biggest complaints now is cranes. They call them the rib eye of the sky, hope some of the farmers get permits cause I'll blast them. Already got the crane call down with the old long reed.

[BigR]

Actually the farmers are. One of the biggest complaints now is cranes. They call them the rib eye of the sky, hope some of the farmers get permits cause I'll blast them. Already got the crane call down with the old long reed.


Honestly, come up with a form letter and you and your hunting partners start sending them in.

It has been discussed for 3 years at the annual regulations discussions.....The DNR is ALL for it, however...Do you remember a few years ago how 750,000 people shot down the shooting of Mourning Doves? Just imagine what a Crane or Mute Swan season would do.

With enough outcry from hunters, someday it is a definite possibility.

Right now, Farmers can apply and most of the time obtain permits for their farms for sandhills....Help a farmer out by setting him up with a permit and pay for it....There won't be any question of hunting priveledges for years to come I can guarantee it.

They are available from the US Fish and Wildlife Service, I believe the guy who does the permitting for Michigan is a man by the name of Tim Wilson. They are still a protected specie by federal standards in the state of Michigan, hence why the Feds have to give the permits.

[SBE II]

Ryan, I do remember that. Problem is they put that to the vote and people voting that don't hunt don't care and to them it's just killing. Theres more non hunters than hunters in this state, we won't be able to hunt anything new. Let's just move to texas where you can kill anything.

[legband]

We are getting more cranes around here too. Not enough to hunt i dont think but i saw a few flocks in my early goose fields last year. Had to double take on them to tell what they were,they never used to be around here

[BigR]

sounds like you guys have just as many if not more deer than we do..I bet the insurance companies are all for a deer slaughter


Yea Michigan is developing a new program for Deer Management, called the MDAT, Michigan Deer Advisory Team...it is compiled of 26 sportsman, state, and federal groups, and the state of Michigan insurance association is there too....Mainly just as a bystander and taking notes as to how many car/deer accidents there are and probably trying whatever they can to influence higher harvest rates....

I am pretty sure Pennysylvania is #1 for deer, followed by Michigan Second.

[BigR]

Ryan, I do remember that. Problem is they put that to the vote and people voting that don't hunt don't care and to them it's just killing. Theres more non hunters than hunters in this state, we won't be able to hunt anything new. Let's just move to texas where you can kill anything.

I wouldn't bet on that....

I see a Crane Permit coming in the near future, followed by a Mute Swan, and I would be willing to bet 5 years or so from now a wolf tag.

Its all about how they do it, the Big Mistake was them going through Granholm and getting her stamp of approval as a house bill.

It needs to be a proposed legislative action, which can only be spearhead by a Senator.

FYI...Here is a fact, The Feds give the Michigan DNR (x) amount of days for a waterfowl season, in years past, its been 60.

Our early goose season does NOT count towards this number, they are "freebie" days and by law, technically could be as long as the entire month of August.

Another fact, Early Woodduck and Teal season is the same, "freebie" and the state has the power to request that special season from the feds, BUT, only first with HUNTER SUPPORT and requests. CWAC--Citizens Waterfowl Advisory Committee....Next meeting is in August which influences many if not all of the regulations for Michigan and all the head honchos from the DNR will be there....Get a bunch of guys and go, its typically held in conjunction with the Saginaw bay waterfowl festival...Voice your waterfowl opinions...you gotta start somewhere.

[BigR]

We are getting more cranes around here too. Not enough to hunt i dont think but i saw a few flocks in my early goose fields last year. Had to double take on them to tell what they were,they never used to be around here


Yea we have thousands in South central Michigan...

you will never see a Crane season in Wisconsin due to the Whooping Cranes and that is something holding Michigan and Minnesota back as well, even though there are some clear differences in birds.

[BigR]

Also, Have you heard about the Pure Michigan Hunt that is proposed and almost on the books?

For 4.00 a ticket at any license agent, you get a chance in a drawing for the "Pure Michigan Hunt".

They are going to select 3 winners, if you win, you get your choice to purchase any tag, for any hunt for the following species:

Spring Turkey
Fall Turkey
Elk
Bear
Antlerless Tags

ALSO: You get to pick 1 day of the year at any managed waterfowl area, show up and you get automatic first pick.

4.00 a chance, you can buy as many chances as you want. The tickets do not count towards your elk or bear points as well as if you won and shot a bull elk, it doesn't count against the 1 you are allowed in the normal hunt.

[legband]

Its funny though how just driving a few hours 1 way or the other and how much the numbers and variety of animals change. I was in ND last yeah by devils lake and they have flocks of hundreds of swans a couple flocks were probably in the thousands. Over where i am in minnesota If you see 1 swan your surprised.