Alot of confusion...

[jjwanz]

About chokes and bore diameter etc. etc. I'm on the ropes about buying a good, all around choke for waterfowling or sticking with my factory chokes. I don't want to cause a big stir or anything guys, just looking for some help. I've patterend before and notice 1/4 oz. patterns best with my gun. Any input?

[Goose_Hunter63]

I've patterend before and notice 1/4 oz. patterns best with my gun. Any input?

Dont fix what's not broke, every gun/choke/load shoots differant. Besides the fact your sig shows your shooting and 835, its already bored to 10 gauge specks. An aftermarket choke may not do you any justice at all "unless you want it to look cool"

[jjwanz]

Dont fix what's not broke, every gun/choke/load shoots differant. Besides the fact your sig shows your shooting and 835, its already bored to 10 gauge specks. An aftermarket choke may not do you any justice at all "unless you want it to look cool"

Yeah, would i need a 10 gauge choke? I'm just looking for something with a bit tighter pattern with better knockdown power out to 50 yards or so.

[Red14]

50yds is a ways out there...

[jjwanz]

50yds is a ways out there...


I know, but when i hit one and can tell i knicked it, thats when that shot comes into play. I shoot most of my birds in decoys, just looking for some more knockdown power.

[Red14]

Understandable=) I’m going to let the guys who know much more about ballistics handle this one! My .02 though, I can tell the difference between my factory choke and my Kicks HF. I know very little about the method behind all the madness but seems to be worth the cash IMO.

[Goose_Hunter63]

Yeah, would i need a 10 gauge choke? I'm just looking for something with a bit tighter pattern with better knockdown power out to 50 yards or so.


No, Mossbergs bores are .775 which is way more open say a Brownings bore thats .742. You could try shooting your full choke or a larger payload shell for more range, Hevi shot may be what your looking for on ranges out to 50yrds.

If you were to go with an extended choke, you'd have to repattern you gun and load combo to see if it still shoots like your used too or just keep all your shots under 40.

[jjwanz]

Understandable=) I’m going to let the guys who know much more about ballistics handle this one! My .02 though, I can tell the difference between my factory choke and my Kicks HF. I know very little about the method behind all the madness but seems to be worth the cash IMO.

Yeah, the kicks chokes look good and are cheaper, but i've also heard porting does nothing but cause noise, yet another reason i am confused lol

[jjwanz]

No, Mossbergs bores are .775 which is way more open say a Brownings bore thats .742. You could try shooting your full choke or a larger payload shell for more range, Hevi shot may be what your looking for on ranges out to 50yrds.

If you were to go with an extended choke, you'd have to repattern you gun and load combo to see if it still shoots like your used too or just keep all your shots under 40.

Oh ok, so my bore is .775? I would deff. repattern it, who knows what would pattern best after a new choke, just don't know if it's worth it or not.

[BadCaller]

.775 is 10ga bore, you'd never get a 12 to even work with that much open bore. To boot 742 is over bore by .014 to much and I would sell the gun being that brownings generally have tight bores. .728 is standard where Beretta and Benelli are .732-733 I personally like a .735

[SBE II]

.775 is 10ga bore, you'd never get a 12 to even work with that much open bore. To boot 742 is over bore by .014 to much and I would sell the gun being that brownings generally have tight bores. .728 is standard where Beretta and Benelli are .732-733 I personally like a .735


Doesn't a 835 have a .775? I have read in a another forum where I guy swears he's gaining 100 fps because of the over size boar...which baffles me because I thought speed depends on payload and such...Help me out BC:confused:

[Goose_Hunter63]

.775 is 10ga bore, you'd never get a 12 to even work with that much open bore. To boot 742 is over bore by .014 to much and I would sell the gun being that brownings generally have tight bores. .728 is standard where Beretta and Benelli are .732-733 I personally like a .735

I seem to remember you saying something about backboring many times, now .742 is overbored? and .775 wont work?



Mossberg 835 from there site. all 835® Ulti-Mag® smooth bore barrels are overbored to 10 gauge bore dimensions, reducing recoil and producing exceptionally uniform patterns from both light and heavy shot charges. Working in tandem with the performance-enhancing overbored barrels http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=2&section=products#

Winchester from there site. The barrel has an improved ventilated rib design and features .742" Back-Bored Technology and the Invector-Plus™ choke tube system for ideal shot patterns. http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=017C&mid=511074

Clarifacation please.

[BadCaller]

A 12ga bore .728 you move into a gun made in Italy Perazzi, there pigeon and trap guns are about .723 tight. I had guns built that were 15 20 over bore and it did shoot soft but it also lost velocity. Of course I ran it through an Oheler 35p .737-.736 is about what I like. You get an overbore barrel like that tell me gas doesn't escape, how can a wad make a seal around a bore that large.

The guy who gets 100 fps showed you the chrono log? Chances are he gets good patterns due to the larger bore, All high end or what is know as Bespoke or Best guns have tight bores, now grant you these trap and pigeon guns are shooting max 1 1/4 loads but most are 1oz average. They generally have a boer of about .721

Now look at what Browning has done for years .742 but these guns all use short forcing cones to build up pressure. Seminole, Briley have settled on .735 for there guns and I know first hand Seminole has spent plenty on tested there bores. Deem it how you feel but until you get 20 guns 10 standard and 10 backbored chrono pattern you'll going to get 1000 answers.

Believe me here if Beretta, Benelli, Perazzi, Krieghoff. all use about the same bore they must be onto something. Long forcing cones and slight overbore will be your ticket. I figure all the guns I have ever owned and done stupid things to trying to get that last little edge only to flounder sure made someone happy on gunbroker.com;) But when duty calls there's only a handful of P shooters that sit in the front of my vault. Beretta's, Perazzi's, Benelli's and Winchester 21's. Ithica Mag 10's Parkers sit in the next row. In the back you'll find Brownings, 1100's 11-87's that all should go on the block.

Might be time for another Rant.

[Goose_Hunter63]

Believe me here if Beretta, Benelli, Perazzi, Kregoff all use about the same bore they must be onto something. Long forcing cones and slight overbore will be your ticket.


I agree, but. Most Beretta/Benelli hunting guns are running .723/.733 bores, so theres still the dillema.

Now how many guy's are running Perazzi, Kregoff in the blind? wait spell check here, its Krieghoff.

I know I'd never take a K80 super scroll into the blind!

[BadCaller]

Krieghoff thanks I don't like them to heavy but many love em. The beretta benelli deal look at the new proofs there all coming out at .733.

I know a few guys that bring out the good iron in the blind. I have a 21 duck that is beat to all hell, there made to shoot I hate guys who have safe queens.

Off to a costume party.

[SBE II]

The guy who gets 100 fps showed you the chrono log? Chances are he gets good patterns due to the larger bore, All high end or what is know as Bespoke or Best guns have tight bores, now grant you these trap and pigeon guns are shooting max 1 1/4 loads but most are 1oz average. They generally have a boer of about .721

Might be time for another Rant.

No no proof whatsoever...It's kinda irratating a bit...He claims hes hand loading 3/4 oz rs steel at 1800 fps....he obviously thinks speeds kills but I'll take the density when I can afford it...

[spaightlabs]

JJ Wanz - just my $.02 and not worth much more'n what ya spent on it, but in all honesty, if you're like 99% of hunters/shooters, your $ would be better spent on getting a gun fitting, a little time with a coach with a trained eye and some practice.

You don't mention what shells you are shooting or anything about your sessions at the board.

If you're shooting chit shells you can buy all the chokes in the world and nothing will keep the pattern together at 50 plus on a consistent basis. If you shoot everything at under 30 yards, shoot chitty shells through an IC or skeet and you'll be just fine.

I've fallen for the aftermarket tube hype in the past, and I have had a few that really did/do pattern super nice, but you can toss a lot of $$ at chokes and still not get spot on for what you're looking for- I've had some real dogs for aftermarket tubes as well...

I've got a 391 that loves the $9.99 a box Federals through a factory cylinder (not I/C, C ) tube - there will never be another tube in that gun for steel - pattern is evenly dispersed and holds together very nicely out to 50 plus. M2 likes those shells through the IC...

Play around, go print some patterns at the board and really, really look at 'em.

[BadCaller]

I give you a little insight as to fast loads. The faster you push a small payload in a 12 it works counter productive. You create a spreader load. Many including myself in sporting clays will shoot a fast 1700 plus load at close targets in a 1oz to create a more open choke. For sporting I shoot LM/LM choked depending on the presentation of the target I change the speed of the load.

When I played with Steel a large payload pushed fast created some great patterns but when I moved up in shot size to get down range energy I had to either slow it down or use a more open choke. That became the rage where the 10ga stepped in. Then Bistmuth moved in and they guys I hunt with all switched, once Hevi-shot came out it was a toss up between Kent Tungsten and HS. When you could buy HS in bulk I switched to that, once I started loading it in the 20ga it really made my eyes open.

I took a Beretta 391 20ga and had it backbored and I have crushed ducks and geese with it for quite some time. Someday I will find the right 16 to work with and that might be just the right bore to play with for up to 1 1/8oz loads. But I have not found one I like enough to play with. Someday I'll own one I like but in the mean time the 12 is king and the mighty 10 will always have a place in my safe for the long range goose the needs to see the big 9.

The party sucked and it's the last day of the duck season here in the AM for the split, the sneak box is ready to roll, dog has been fed, field bag packed with devil dogs and I am dead tired of a cluster of mail servers we migrated this week.

[jjwanz]

Thank you to everyone that responded and tried to help. After talking to John Manning on the phone, I decided to try out hevi-shot, and maybe some hevi-metal, and i'll let you guys know how that goes!

[greyson1]

Many including myself in sporting clays will shoot a fast 1700 plus load at close targets in a 1oz to create a more open choke.

1700fps lead or steel load? If it's lead , I want to know where you got the recipe:confused:

[BadCaller]

I won't give the recipe over the web but your going to need a Downrange wad AA or STS hull, Longshot or Bullseye. I like to use the win 209 primer

[greyson1]

What book or site did you get the recipe?

[BadCaller]

BPI Manual if you want the hot loads for lead you'll need to search out the English Sites. The Fitasc shooters over there love there hot loads.