fileing green guts pix....

[GOOSEHANSON]

I took a couple of pix of me filing my green guts like a couple pm'ed me about....I don't know how much help they will be but you get should get the idea of what file to look for and how I file them ...read my post on this subject to get the low down in words what these pix are trying to show...thanks for the patience...JOE

[GOOSEHANSON]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r62/BURBANKGOOSE20/IMG_3796-1.jpg

[GOOSEHANSON]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r62/BURBANKGOOSE20/IMG_3797.jpg

[GOOSEHANSON]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r62/BURBANKGOOSE20/IMG_3800.jpg

[Big-D]

wash them hands!!! then go put some Lotion on......


nice guts :lol:

[GOOSEHANSON]

OH MAN...sorry I didn't get a manicure before those shots...but those are working man hands...joe

[bck1006]

they look a like ASHY!!!!

[bck1006]

need a caption for each of the pics...

[Greg Ruark Jr.]

I'm cool with the filing deal, it's the reed tip that I'm curious about. Thanks for following through.

[GOOSEHANSON]

bending the reed up is the easy part...take the tip of the reed, about an 1/8 inch and pull it up with your thumb abd forefinger....until you can message a crease inot it...put in call and see if it works....joe..as far as captions go..pictures worth a thousand words..joe

[Greg Ruark Jr.]

Thanks again, I'll let you know how I make out.

Greg

[spaightlabs]

out of curiosity, what benefit do you think filing the guts gives??

[RidgeNelson]

out of curiosity, what benefit do you think filing the guts gives??

A goosey-er sound

[spaightlabs]

It's weird they don't just cast them that way then?

[Killer Miller]

Goosehanson, Kelly, and I'm sure some other callers have figured this out. Worn-in guts are almost a necessity (IMO) in order to make certain sounds on a goose call, like the train and other notes where the reed drops down in the tone board. Obviously the reed pops up and down on all notes, but the train for example requires you to "stick" the reed down in the tone board by closing your hands tight on the call and pushing alot of air through it to make the reed stay down. Personally, I don't know if one can even do a train note without worn-in guts. If they can, I'm sure it's difficult because the reed has nowhere to go so it probably wants to jsut come back up without the slops that are made by worn-in guts.

Like Goosehanson said, you'll probably ruin a few sets of guts since the guts are so small and the slits you have to cut are very small. So if you're off even a little bit, the guts will be ruined. I personally like the idea and am going to order a few sets of guts and try it.

[GOOSEHANSON]

I should ask Jeff for a commision on guts going out the shop after everyone tries fileing there guts...I know I have screwed up a few before getting it down...even then some just don't turn out right....you can make a good train note by pulling that last 1/4 inch of the reed up to get that lift and lock up when applying horse power to the call.....joe

[Killer Miller]

you can make a good train note by pulling that last 1/4 inch of the reed up to get that lift and lock up when applying horse power to the call.....joe

Reeds are too cheap to NOT try that. Goose, I'll have to try that. I've got a few reeds laying around.

[Bossman]

A little tip or trick for bending up that tip of the reed, put the tip in an adjustable crescent wrench, tighten the wrench down on the reed and bend the reed up to the desired angle, just hold the wrench and bend the reed. Does that make sense? Hope that helps.

[dforsyth]

Great info Goose, Thanks a bunch!!

[GOOSEHANSON]

no problem Donnie...I wish we had more good tech posts on here...GOOSE

[sneakyreaper]

Thanks GOOSEHANSON :D Something new to me. Think the hph needs
some attn anyway. :)

[wallmounter]

..read my post on this subject to get the low down in words what these pix are trying to show

I think my brain stopped working today, can someone post the link to the post GOOSEHANSON is referring to? I looked but can't seem to find it.

[h20fowler]

Ask and you shall receive....


http://www.foilesstraitmeat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5229&start=30


I like the old fashioned way but I like my calls really stiff and I am used to the sounds I get from well worn guts...not saying that green guts don't sound good right out of the box...because they deffinitly do....I also like an unshaved reed with the reed tip bent up in front....kinda hard to get used to and sounds like a "cow" call to someone not used to it...but after blowing it set this way then picking up another callers call....It makes there call soo much more responsive....I won't go into how I get them broken in yet because I could get hammered pretty good for not doing it the old fashioned way, not sure if others have done it this way but it works...just got to be patient and go slow with it they are like three year old guts blown by a guide day in and day out....GOOSE



it is kinda hard to explain but I thought this would be a fast way to speed up the process of getting my new Migrators sounding like they have been hanging on my lanyard for a couple of seasons....I place the green guts in the call as I would tune the call...I take a sharp exacto knife and lightly score the edge of the tone channel where the reed runs into the trough...I diss-assemble the guts and use a really small file, the kind that you can get on a Snap-On truck or where ever tools are bought..it's the small kind like a machinist would use with the sharp point on one end and about 5" long...I take the line I etched and use that as a guide to slowly cut a natural groove in the flow of the reed until you get the sound you want or copy an older broken in set as a referance to what you are looking for.....I always use an un-shaved reed in my goose calls and I like to take like FOSTER said aand bend the last 1/8 of and inch tip of the reed up so the reed doesn't stick into the bottom of the trough with the further amount of travel the reed is going to make...I guess I seen this set-up 4-5 yrs. ago as I was sitting in a bullpen with Saunders and Kelly Powers...two guys that are waaayyy out of my league...Bill and I live in the same town and I was askking him how Kelly gets those deep goosey sounds and he said look at how his call is tuned......It was tuned sooo stiff a mere mortal couldn't break it over and get a cluck...this got me to trying to get my call stiffer to try aand get some new sounds....I woiuldn't recomend it for a Straight Cackler but for a nice deep call or comp call it sure sounds gooseyu...I know this is kinda long winded and might not make the least bit of sense but if anyone cares here it is...I will try to enter or post up a sound file but I can't figure it out on this computer.....GOOSE

[wallmounter]

Thanks! I guess I was looking for another thread titled "filing green guts"

[h20fowler]

no worries man. We're all here to help.

[DropEmInDE]

Ruined a Pefectly good Tone Board Last night lol...



Back to the Drawing Board i guess....


gonna hook my meatgrinder up to my air compressor, regulate the air and somehow try to muffle the sound.....figured its better then burning up one of momma's vaccums...lol

[Greg Ruark Jr.]

I received a call in the mail with these filed guts. Tried the turned up reed deal. Blows a little different, but didn't notice that much of a change. I think I'll stick to breakin' em in the old fashioned way. Or should I have used an unshaved reed? Just curious.

[GOOSEHANSON]

no the unshaved reed is a preferance thing...I think that having a stiffer call gives you more variations of notes depending on how much air is applied to the call...and back pressure....the turned up reed and filed guts are tough to get used to at first and it's like learning to blow a short reed all over again...FOSTER has tried to blow my call and he can make a couple good clucks before he runs out of gas...it is really a hard call to blow but makes some really good sounds when you're used to it...I would set up one call that is really tough to blow consistenly and practice with it....after several months...your air delivery will build up and you will be able to sound decent on that tougher call....then when you move back to your lighter call....your speed and control will surprise you at how much easier to get good sounds out of your old stand by......GOOSE

[Greg Ruark Jr.]

I hear ya. I'll tune one up like that for the ride to work. Thanks again.

[rushcreekganderlander]

It was a great tip and I successfully did it to the guts for my new HPH. I didn't make the groove too deep, I just wanted to get them started a little quicker. Tried the bent reed on my SMH and now it's got a new reed. :D Could make a single cluck and that was it...not happening from my scrawny ass.

[spaightlabs]

if the guts worked better that way, they'd cat 'em that way...

[GOOSEHANSON]

if the guts worked better that way, they'd cat 'em that way...

thats true for the regular buyer of calls...calls are tuned for the masses...the guy that doesn't blow there call every day and likes a lighter tuned call...if you break in your guts like I had posted, your call will be alot harder to blow but will gain alot more range of notes...and will give your call a more goosey less tinnie sound...of course it would take some time and practice to get comfortable in blowing it but after you mastered a heavy call....you won't want to go back to the lighter call....at least not for a contest call...or a call that you are looking for for some deep hollow goose, I am not saying that everyone should go out and file there guts, but if you wanted to...this is how I did it.....I don't tune my cackler this way.... I just bend the reed up like stated before....joe