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dux_99
03-24-2006, 11:23 AM
I hope this pans out. Here is the article that was in the Peoria Journal Star today:

Goose hunters have reason to rejoice at the latest news out of Springfield.
After years of fretting over quotas and early season closures, we're on the brink of a brave new world of goose-hunting regulations.

Pending final approval from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service - expected later this summer - goose quotas will be a thing of the past in Illinois starting this fall.

In place of complicated calculations and hunter-compliance rates we'll have a straightforward season. How refreshing.

"Goose population dynamics have changed and that's why we can do this," state waterfowl biologist Ray Marshalla said. "So far every group we've run this past has been happy."

No doubt. Instead of reporting every bird you shoot, instead of tying up conservation police officers all winter, instead of complaining about guys at Braidwood and instead of seeing the season end just as things gets good, honker hunters will enjoy a set season for the first time since quotas emerged in the 1970s.

Back then, resident giant Canada geese accounted for 5 percent of the annual harvest in Illinois. Most birds shot were migrants from one of three breeding flocks in Canada.

Because breeding conditions for migrants changed so much each year, every effort was made to protect them when reproduction was poor.

Nowadays resident giant geese make up 62 percent of the Illinois harvest and represent 82 percent of the total for the Mississippi Flyway. Since non-migrating local birds do not face the same reproductive instability, biologists feel they can be less restrictive.

"And we've got safeguards in place if we find this is detrimental (to migrating geese)," Marshalla said.

That's why a committee of the Mississippi Flyway Council voted 5-1 to eliminate quotas for the flyway in 2007. The group voted 6-0 to allow Illinois to do the same one year earlier.

If the USFW agrees, hunters in the north and central zones face one of two seasons: 79 days with a daily bag of two geese or 90 days with 37 days of a one-goose bag. South zone hunters face either a 57-day season with two birds or 70 days with 43 days limited to one bird.

That's one of many topics Marshalla has discussed with waterfowl groups in recent weeks. He is scheduled to meet with Tri-County Ducks and Geese Forever next week.

Later this spring, most likely the week of May 22, the state will hold public meetings to discuss duck and goose dates.

"We hope to set duck and goose seasons for the next five years" based on a 60-day duck season, Marshalla said.

What a welcome change that would be from the bickering and doubt waterfowlers have come to expect each summer.

Max4Gooser
03-24-2006, 11:56 AM
Very interesting, I bought my 2006 license and state stamp today, (new plastic ones) and it printed off a quota zone permit for me.

migrator00
03-24-2006, 12:37 PM
I can only hope for the 79 day 2 goose deal!

dux_99
03-24-2006, 12:43 PM
I would be for the 90 day season depending on which end they would put the 37 day one goose limit. If they run it on the front half; then that would be fine; but if they run it on the end; then I would rather have the 79 day 2 goose limit. I would rather be able to shoot one goose than not hunt at all.

Max4Gooser
03-24-2006, 12:56 PM
Seems like I remember a time when we where only allowed one bird for part of the season, then it jumped up to two, it also seems like at one time we where allowed 3, butcan't remember for sure, it has been a while.

migrator00
03-24-2006, 01:32 PM
that would be fine if the one goose was early during duck...i agree w/ that.

SMOKE
03-24-2006, 02:10 PM
GAME ON :twisted:

Silver Webfoot
03-24-2006, 03:10 PM
I didnt even know Illinoise had a quota.What was it?

IowaMigr8tor
03-24-2006, 04:41 PM
We have somthin like the 79 day 2 goose and the length is good but the limit sucks. You get the opertunity to shoot birds all fall and into the winter but when the geese get thick around here it sucks that you limit out so quick. It really sucks when you get on here and see states with 5 goose limits.

hoosierhunter
03-24-2006, 04:53 PM
Yeah here in Indiana, our early nuisance season is Sept 1-15, with a daily bag limit of 5 per person, and late season is about 60 days long with a dailiy bag limit of 2 per person. But we don't see nearly as many geese as you guys on the main flyway, we have ALOT of residents anymore, but the migration is not as big as over there, so to get into them real good, you have to do alot of scouting and have access to the right areas, so even though we have liberal limits, it's not always easy to shoot that many geese, so it kind of evens out.

scouttracker
03-24-2006, 05:09 PM
I guess need to move out of Maryland. Our season changes every year,depending on the hatch[ so they say]

bigun
03-24-2006, 05:35 PM
Interesting opinions, but . . . . .

All of this is at the expense of the guys north of you - Wisconsin. The unfortunate part about it, for me, is that I stand to lose 30 days of hunting. All I can say is THANKS - NOT.

For a number of years, Wisconsin has had it's own banding program for geese. With the stats in hand from banding and one of the most aggressive reporting requirements in the nation, we are getting screwed. No other state, IL included has the banding AND reporting stats to support the fact that they are shooting more residents than migrators - in the Miss. Flyway.

Our (Wisc) only hope to having any sort of goose season is to voice our distain, and/or push our season start out farther so that we too get a shot at the migrators.

In the end, I'm not in favor of the politician driven, USFWS - and don't kid yourself that they are not.

ganderlander1
03-24-2006, 06:34 PM
The people in wisconsin have been short stopping the geese that migrate to illinois for atleast 5 years now. We also get to shoot less geese each year because wisconsin kills more. Its only fair to see how this works out for illinois. Most of the geese killed in southern illinois now are residents from northern illinois, that only migrate when there is 12 in of snow. I dont think they will cut your season due to us shooting resident geese that fly 150 miles south just till it warms up and then they fly back north.

bigun
03-24-2006, 07:16 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the Wisc quota last year, even though 10-12,000 more birds than the year before, was NOT met. Yet IL filled their quota in late Dec (29th ?), two weeks after Wisc season ended.

What has yet to be proven - by virtue of state sponsored banding programs and harvest reports, is whether the quota is truly being filled with residents or migrators in states other than Wisc. As I said earlier, I know of no other state that is as aggressive in banding and harvest reporting as Wisc. It was for this very reason that Wisc adopted their programs - to protect the states waterfowlers against 'over zealuous', 'cry baby' (no offense met, just rehashing a letter I got the other day from a state source) states to our south.

If this USFWS proposal goes thru, MN, IL, and MO to name a few will lose too. Your 97 day (+/-) seasons will never return. Remember once the Feds take something, you'll pay h*** getting it back - regardless of what it is.

migrator00
03-25-2006, 01:52 AM
Let's put it this way...I am in favor of the 90 day season as long as it starts and ends late enough in the year. Being in the central quota zone is a curse because the northern part of the zone fills up before the southern part. I am all for being able to kill 2 geese late into the season. I only support this if it goes later into the season...like mid to late january. Illinois is very strict on it's qutoa zones and it is a very serious offense if you don't report geese killed. I think that they are taking steps in the right direction if this is handled correctly.......

SMOKE
03-25-2006, 05:55 AM
Im with muntz on this one when they shut the season down on us this year i still had fields packed full of geese. Itll be nice for it to go the whole length from now on instead of cuttin us off. Bigun i can understand your concern but are you sure they are gonna cut your season by 30 days?

bigun
03-25-2006, 08:40 AM
We currently have a 97 day season. If the USFWS proposal goes thru it would be cut to 70 days, just like everyone else. Mathematically 97-70=27. 27 is close enough to 30 in my book. . . . . . . .

Personally, I would like to the Miss Flyway states adopt a system similar to what is used in the western states. That is goose hunting is permitted on Weds, Sat, Sun, and special holidays (don't quote me on the specific days, it's been a mumber of year since I live in Spokane, WA and was under this system). The effect of this season structure allows for hunting well in to January ! And we all know what goose hunting can be like during that time of year.

SMOKE
03-25-2006, 02:22 PM
I deffinately wouldnt be for the specific day hunts. Well if they do cut it to 70 days at least its all squared up for everyone and then no one gets a longer season then the other and no one gets shut down early like we did this year. I know its not what your accustomed to but there is still plenty of grindin to do in 70 days