Came across this and figured I'd post it for ya.....

[SGTSLTR]

Newly updated Power Rankings.....

http://callingducks.com/rankings_goose_callers.aspx

[cornfieldgooser]

Getcha some Big Sean! :lol:

[mnbenelli]

If I remember right....Cody Hopps jumped up pretty high too!!! Congrats to both!

[Killer Miller]

I am confused as to how biggie is in the #1 spot? That's awesome that he is, but Hunter has won 2 majors already in 2008 (IWA and MVCC) and Sean hasn't won any yet.....but like I said that's great! Cody jumped 8 or 9 spots....I think he was ranked #18 and now he's #10! 8)

[etmccain]

well done Sean....good to see Cody flyin up the charts too...keep it up fellas

[Killer Miller]

Just looked again and they must still be updating from 2007. Biggie won 12 opens/2-mans and Hunter only won 4 plus World. That's like one per month for Sean...... :shock: 8)

[GOOSEHANSON]

I believe that it goes by the last ten contests and out of the ten Sean has won 8 out of 10 and Hunter has won the last 2...or something like that...was posted on callinducks..joe

[WhiteFeather]

How many of those ten did Hunter participate in?



I find this ranking style to be a tad biased. Most of the "majors" are in the MW. That makes it hard for the coast guys to be in the top.

[mnbenelli]

How many of those ten did Hunter participate in?



I find this ranking style to be a tad biased. Most of the "majors" are in the MW. That makes it hard for the coast guys to be in the top.

Kinda like Tiger Woods....Competes in only the big tournaments!

I smell the **** your laying down!

[MNGooseSlayer]

Hunter and Sean are amazing. Scot Threinen is the best live goose caller.

[wbfowler777]

way to go guys

[BIG SEAN]

Hunter participated in every open contest I won last year exept maybe 1 ... and every contest I didnt win, he was there...

[Big-D]

Hunter participated in every open contest I won last year exept maybe 1 ... and every contest I didnt win, he was there...


holy **** Sean I didnt think you knew what the Foiles Form was....... :D

Just kiddin I really didnt think you could type.
HA congrats SLIM

[rushcreekganderlander]

I find this ranking style to be a tad biased. Most of the "majors" are in the MW. That makes it hard for the coast guys to be in the top.


Yeah but the "worlds" is held in easton, md EVERY year...and Mitch Hughes competed at the IWA...just didn't do very well.


http://www.callingducks.com/misc_files/08_Masters_Goose.xls.pdf

[WhiteFeather]

Whats your point? The World's are held in Easton every year. 7 of the top 10 ranked competitions are held in the Midwest. Don't you think that gives an advantage to Sean, Hunter, Wade, Etc.?

My personal opinion is that Hunter is the best caller out there. You think that Sean is the best.


WhiteFeather's Top Ten Calling List:

1. Hunter Grounds
2. "Medium" Sean Hammock
3. Scott Threinen
4. Wade Walling
5. John Taylor
6. Mitch Hughes
7. Cory Loeffler
8. Big Craig Rosenau
9. Cody Hopps
10. Jacob Stanley


PS Scott Threinen is better than his 17th place ranking. He is always finishing top 5...

[rushcreekganderlander]

Whats your point? The World's are held in Easton every year. 7 of the top 10 ranked competitions are held in the Midwest.

THE WORLDS ARE IN EASTON EVERY YEAR IS MY POINT. That is the most sought after contest win by these guys. I'm sure a couple of those guys towards the top of that list would love to trade their spot for a world championship title...I know I would. Should I feel sorry for the eastern guys because they have to travel??? Do you not think the midwest guys have to travel??? Sean won opens in Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Missouri, Kansas, Pennsylvania, and Colorado last year...and competed in contests in Iowa and Maryland as well. Wade traveled to Michigan, Iowa, Nevada, Oregon, Maryland, ect. for contests as well. I think they deserve to be ranked up there. Just cause the eastern boys won't travel doesn't mean it's biased. Besides I think, notice I didn't say know, that the top rated contests are rated on the quality of callers.

PM Killer Miller on what isle the tampons and tissues are on.

[mnbenelli]

Whats your point? The World's are held in Easton every year. 7 of the top 10 ranked competitions are held in the Midwest. Don't you think that gives an advantage to Sean, Hunter, Wade, Etc.?

My personal opinion is that Hunter is the best caller out there. You think that Sean is the best.


WhiteFeather's Top Ten Calling List:

1. Hunter Grounds
2. "Medium" Sean Hammock
3. Scott Threinen
4. Wade Walling
5. John Taylor
6. Mitch Hughes
7. Cory Loeffler
8. Big Craig Rosenau
9. Cody Hopps
10. Jacob Stanley


PS Scott Threinen is better than his 17th place ranking. He is always finishing top 5...

Hard to argue with that list. I'm sure someone will though!

[etmccain]

Whats your point? The World's are held in Easton every year. 7 of the top 10 ranked competitions are held in the Midwest. Don't you think that gives an advantage to Sean, Hunter, Wade, Etc.?

My personal opinion is that Hunter is the best caller out there. You think that Sean is the best.


WhiteFeather's Top Ten Calling List:

1. Hunter Grounds
2. "Medium" Sean Hammock
3. Scott Threinen
4. Wade Walling
5. John Taylor
6. Mitch Hughes
7. Cory Loeffler
8. Big Craig Rosenau
9. Cody Hopps
10. Jacob Stanley


PS Scott Threinen is better than his 17th place ranking. He is always finishing top 5...

Hard to argue with that list. I'm sure someone will though!

looks pretty good to me....hope Sean gets to add a World win to his resume` this year

[rushcreekganderlander]

I don't see how you could put Scott at 3...now that's biased. Not to take anything away from him...great caller and teacher. But he has only won 1 contest period in the last 12 months and finished in the top 5 three other times. Putting him ahead of Wade who has 8 wins in the last 12 months and 5 other top 5s...well that's the definition of biased. I'm willing to bet I could compare his record to all the people ahead of him and get the same result. Just cause you put out a cd and dvd and are a great caller doesn't make you ranked third in the world in contest calling. Gotta compete more...I'm sure there are some great callers out there that don't compete at all...should they be ranked as well?

[WhiteFeather]

I don't see how you could put Scott at 3...now that's biased. Not to take anything away from him...great caller and teacher. But he has only won 1 contest period in the last 12 months and finished in the top 5 three other times. Putting him ahead of Wade who has 8 wins in the last 12 months and 5 other top 5s...well that's the definition of biased. I'm willing to bet I could compare his record to all the people ahead of him and get the same result. Just cause you put out a cd and dvd and are a great caller doesn't make you ranked third in the world in contest calling. Gotta compete more...I'm sure there are some great callers out there that don't compete at all...should they be ranked as well?


This list is my opinion. I personally think Scott is a better caller than Wade. See my point? I can put out a top ten list for everything and someone will bitch because it isn't right.

[rushcreekganderlander]

Opinions are opinions...we've all got a couple.

[KingsvilleGooseBand]

No way Hunter Grounds is way better !

[WhiteFeather]

So rush,

Do you agree with CDC that Scott is currently the 17th best caller in the world?

[rushcreekganderlander]

Competition wise...I guess. He has to compete more to move up the list. If he gets out on the contest trail more often, I definitely think he will move up the list...a lot. But yes I believe most of they guys ahead of him deserve to be there because they compete on a regular basis and have more wins and top finishes than Scott. Does it mean that they are better callers than Scott...not really...but they've earned their spot. :wink:

[WhiteFeather]

Apparently World Championships don't count for as much...

[rushcreekganderlander]

Why??? That's Scotts only win and it was the Live contest...different style of calling than the "comp" calling. More of a meat routine which I actually like better.

[WhiteFeather]

Why??? That's Scotts only win and it was the Live contest...different style of calling than the "comp" calling. More of a meat routine which I actually like better.



Scott's only win last year was a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! It doesn't matter what way you slice it, he is a world champ. THAT IS WHY HE IS NUMBER 3 ON MY LIST!!!!

[huntingbuddy]

I would have to agree with your list Whitefeather, Big Sean, Scott and Hunter Grounds are all amazing callers.

[Trevor Shannahan]

I find this ranking style to be a tad biased. Most of the "majors" are in the MW. That makes it hard for the coast guys to be in the top.


Yeah but the "worlds" is held in easton, md EVERY year...and Mitch Hughes competed at the IWA...just didn't do very well.


http://www.callingducks.com/misc_files/08_Masters_Goose.xls.pdfBecause he was hung over. I'd like to see you call good when you had drank heavily. :D

[watson3203]

Awsome

[Trevor Shannahan]

And Scotty T definitely deserves to be up there on that list. He is flat out sick.

[rushcreekganderlander]

It doesn't matter what way you slice it, he is a world champ.

I don't slice it...CDC does and their way seems to make sense to me...they don't play favorites. I'm not saying Scott isn't good...he's an amazing caller but to say your list is more accurate than CDC... I haven't heard all these guys in person, but have heard almost the whole Foiles and Grounds crew as well as Wade and there are a lot of amazing callers in those groups.

[rushcreekganderlander]

I'd like to see you call good when you had drank heavily.


You don't want to see me call sober let alone drunk. Should of been to waterfowl weekend two years ago...everyone there was calling hungover I believe.

[grinder]

congrats sean

[Trevor Shannahan]

I'd like to see you call good when you had drank heavily.


You don't want to see me call sober let alone drunk. Should of been to waterfowl weekend two years ago...everyone there was calling hungover I believe.I know I will be if I go down this year.

[Jayson Wilt]

Trevor you guys headed out to Illinois in May???

As far as the contest in Easton who wouldnt want to win it pays 10 grand!!! However I personally would like to see it judged a little differently than it is. I would prefer to see it judged 70-80 first round 80-90 second round and 90-100 and if tie happens then 0-100 in the tie breaker. The scoring system in place can narrow it down to winning the whole deal in one round at each round scored 70-100. I would also like to see judges from every region of the US some guys that are on the cutting edge of the industry For instance and hypothetically speaking Western US Bill Saunders, Midwest John Vaca, Central US Tim Grounds, Great Lakes Fred Zink and the East John Taylor. I was hard pressed to know whom any of the judges were last year other Kelly Powers and for the sake of agruement or anyone saying Im playing favorites I didnt say Jeff although I believe he would be an excellent canidate for a judge.

As far as the power rankings go there are 20 excellent goose callers on that list it would be hard to rank them. There is a large number of guys from the east coast especially the state of MD and that is by no mistake these guys are flat out great callers as is everyone on that list.

It is too bad that there isnt a sanctioned contest for goose callers like there is duck callers that you would have to first qualify for prior to showing up and plunking down a 100 dollars then you could have a true World Championship.

These are just my thoughts and Im am definitely not trying ruffle anyones feathers just my thoughts.....

[Killer Miller]

PM Killer Miller on what isle the tampons and tissues are on.

Whitefeather, tissues are found in aisle 18 on the right hand side and you'll find a great selection of tampons in aisle 15 about halfway down on the right....right across from the other feminine products. :wink: :wink: :lol:




I find this ranking style to be a tad biased. Most of the "majors" are in the MW. That makes it hard for the coast guys to be in the top.


Yeah but the "worlds" is held in easton, md EVERY year...and Mitch Hughes competed at the IWA...just didn't do very well.


http://www.callingducks.com/misc_files/08_Masters_Goose.xls.pdfBecause he was hung over. I'd like to see you call good when you had drank heavily. :D

So he came all the way from Maryland to get drunk and then have a hangover that hindered his calling for the $1,000 open? Or are you just making up excuses for your regional pal because the midwest (Illinois specifically) boys handed him his a$$?

P.S. Calm down, I have heard Mitch (not in person, but videos) and he is a great caller. Please don't swing a baseball bat through my computer screen. :lol:


I would also like to see judges from every region of the US some guys that are on the cutting edge of the industry For instance and hypothetically speaking Western US Bill Saunders, Midwest John Vaca, Central US Tim Grounds, Great Lakes Fred Zink and the East John Taylor.

I agree 100%. 5 judges all from different reasons would be a great way to do it IMO.

[WhiteFeather]

PM Killer Miller on what isle the tampons and tissues are on.

Whitefeather, tissues are found in aisle 18 on the right hand side and you'll find a great selection of tampons in aisle 15 about halfway down on the right....right across from the other feminine products. :wink: :wink: :lol:



Miller your a smart ass son.

[etmccain]

I find this ranking style to be a tad biased. Most of the "majors" are in the MW. That makes it hard for the coast guys to be in the top.


Yeah but the "worlds" is held in easton, md EVERY year...and Mitch Hughes competed at the IWA...just didn't do very well.


http://www.callingducks.com/misc_files/08_Masters_Goose.xls.pdfBecause he was hung over. I'd like to see you call good when you had drank heavily. :D

sounds like its his own fault he didn't do better....i don't think if I were competing for a world championship in anything I'd go out and get loaded the nite before....but i hate losing, so that must just be me 8)

[Trevor Shannahan]

I find this ranking style to be a tad biased. Most of the "majors" are in the MW. That makes it hard for the coast guys to be in the top.


Yeah but the "worlds" is held in easton, md EVERY year...and Mitch Hughes competed at the IWA...just didn't do very well.


http://www.callingducks.com/misc_files/08_Masters_Goose.xls.pdfBecause he was hung over. I'd like to see you call good when you had drank heavily. :D

sounds like its his own fault he didn't do better....i don't think if I were competing for a world championship in anything I'd go out and get loaded the nite before....but i hate losing, so that must just be me 8)IWA isn't the World's. And Miller, didn't he hand those IL boys their a$$es two years ago? Oh yea! He won World Goose and Live Duck.

[rushcreekganderlander]

Yeah he did win in Maryland and I for one was anxious to see how he would do in the midwest. And I see by the scorecard...course maybe he stuck his call. I heard Wade did cause I know he's a lot better than last place in that contest.

[Trevor Shannahan]

He won in CO. Isn't that the mid-west?

[rushcreekganderlander]

Yeah but the top dogs in the midwest weren't there. Look at 2 & 3 place... 2nd only has won a two man and a novice...3rd has only won an intermediate and a hunter level contest. I applaud Mitch for coming out this way and competing...I'd like to hear him in person. But so far he hasn't been able to beat Hunter and Sean west of Harrisburg.

[J Kryspin]

Man, some of you guys get all ass-hurt if your "camp" doesn't win and will damn near need some douche if anyone says otherwise. Lighten up and enjoy the sport.

[rushcreekganderlander]

We're just debating...and don't see anyone getting worked up or defending one camp. Lighten up and enjoy the debate.

[WhiteFeather]

Yeah but the top dogs in the midwest weren't there.



What happened to a win being a win, whether its by 1 point or a 100??? No yeah buts about it...


If I win the Podunk Open, it doesn't matter who was there. I still won it.

[Steve Nickerson]

Yeah but the top dogs in the midwest weren't there. Look at 2 & 3 place... 2nd only has won a two man and a novice...3rd has only won an intermediate and a hunter level contest. I applaud Mitch for coming out this way and competing...I'd like to hear him in person. But so far he hasn't been able to beat Hunter and Sean west of Harrisburg.

Always the same **** :roll: Mitch won BUT all the BIG BOYS weren't there. :roll: Define BIG BOYS..I already know Midwest callers...HOWEVER if Sean wins its a win...Mitch one at the Worlds and they were there and that leads to this fact....MITCH HAS A WORLDS GOOSE TITLE AND HAMMOCK DOESN'T...OH I forgot the excuse for that is it was in Maryland and they had secret codes to know it was Mitch calling :roll: Those secret codes or unfair biased judging hasn't stopped Tim(3 seniors) or Hunter Grounds( 3 seniors), Shawn Stahl,Scott Threinen,Kelley Powers, Allan McRee(2 seniors),Harold Knight....might have forgotten a couple..If Sean is good enough he will win...if not he'll finish in his usual place ...2nd. It seems that it means so much more to you guys in the Midwest..I don't remember any of the East Coast guys showing their ass after losing a contest..blowing a Foiles call is not a god given right to win a title..Why do you all take it so seriously and constantly try to justify why he or she wins or loses? It's blowing a goose call not saving a life..by the way----get one.

[rushcreekganderlander]

tissues are found in aisle 18 on the right hand side and you'll find a great selection of tampons in aisle 15 about halfway down on the right....right across from the other feminine products.


:roll: :roll: I think we were debating the power rankings and how they are biased towards midwestern callers. Sorry facts are facts...Mitch hasn't beaten Hunter and Sean outside of the coast. I could care less if Sean ever wins a "worlds" title from easton. But thanks for the intelligent response gone goosin.


What happened to a win being a win, whether its by 1 point or a 100??? No yeah buts about it...


If I win the Podunk Open, it doesn't matter who was there. I still won it.

Hell yeah a win is a win...but hell yeah it's worth more if you beat the big dogs. Look at football ranking for example. If you beat an unranked team are you higher ranked the following week than if you beat a high ranked team???

[WhiteFeather]

The ranking system is biased towards the midwest. How many of these top competitions are on either coast?


If you are, for example Medium Sean, you travel to states neighboring you and win those 7 major contests. He will automatically be on top. But for Mitch to travel to win those contests, its a long road trip or possibly a flight to get there. Obviously, with the cost of fuel a thousand dollar tournament in Illinois is hardly worth the trip. Or even with the cost of plane tickets, it makes it a $500 open, and I am sure there are several of those around his hometown.

[Steve Nickerson]

[quote="rushcreekganderlander"] I think we were debating the power rankings

I apologize.I was of the subject, made a mistake.I think the power rankings are what they are...numbers...which by nature are subjective. However, more contests in the Midwest means more chances for wins and high finishes. So inherently that makes Hunter and Sean and the others rank higher which they should. Hunter Grounds is the best contest caller around..his Easton routine was unbelievable as are most of his routines. Happy Easter everyone. Steve

[Trevor Shannahan]

tissues are found in aisle 18 on the right hand side and you'll find a great selection of tampons in aisle 15 about halfway down on the right....right across from the other feminine products.


:roll: :roll: I think we were debating the power rankings and how they are biased towards midwestern callers. Sorry facts are facts...Mitch hasn't beaten Hunter and Sean outside of the coast. I could care less if Sean ever wins a "worlds" title from easton. But thanks for the intelligent response gone goosin.


What happened to a win being a win, whether its by 1 point or a 100??? No yeah buts about it...


If I win the Podunk Open, it doesn't matter who was there. I still won it.

Hell yeah a win is a win...but hell yeah it's worth more if you beat the big dogs. Look at football ranking for example. If you beat an unranked team are you higher ranked the following week than if you beat a high ranked team???But mitch has beat them. It doesn't matter where. He can't make it to all the midwest contests. So what if he beat them near his home.

[rushcreekganderlander]

Mitch beat them both one time (worlds) and Sean another (Harrisburg) that I know of. But they have both finished ahead of him numerous times that I can see on cdc. The rankings are about consistency.

[rushcreekganderlander]

Whitefeather I still don't see the big difference in travel. Sure they are neighboring states...but our counties out here compare to the size of some of the east coast states. And all copm callers have to make the trek to Easton every year for the worlds. Why would it hurt the east coast guys to travel to 1 or 2 midwest shows? I would like to see them travel so I can hear them. I'm not gonna travel all over the country just to listen cause I'm not good enough to compete...although a trip to Easton for the worlds might be in order just for the whole weekend experience.

[WhiteFeather]

Yeah, 1 or 2 competitions a year but that still isnt enough to sway the rankings.


If Mitch wins the worlds and one other Major he still wont be in the number one spot. Look at what Hunter did. He won World Goose and IWA... with quite a few top 5's and he isn't in first place.

[Greg Ruark Jr.]

DILLIGAF

[rushcreekganderlander]

I don't know what to tell you Whitefeather. CDC has a forum. Ask the question over there and you'll get a lot better response than I can give you. I'm not a contest caller(except a couple meat ducks) and don't really care about the rankings...but I see how they figure them and it makes sense to me.

[Killer Miller]

DILLIGAF

HUH?! :?

[mnbenelli]

DILLIGAF

HUH?! :?

I think that is kinda like BOHICA....

[johnboysmh]

Way to go sean! But i think hunter should be first because he has already won IWA and the Worlds. Ohh well. Getcha some Sean :D

[BIG SEAN]

WOW!... you guys are all fired up... myself, Hunter, Mitch are all good friends and love seeing each other... what makes it difficult for us to do that are guys like you... always bustin balls, and saying who is better... we are all good and love what we do.... we try to keep it fun and do good for the companies we are with.... all good callers will win a few no matter who they are,, the good people are the ones who come out on top... love you all... quit being dumb.... SEAN

[mnbenelli]

WOW!... you guys are all fired up... myself, Hunter, Mitch are all good friends and love seeing each other... what makes it difficult for us to do that are guys like you... always bustin balls, and saying who is better... we are all good and love what we do.... we try to keep it fun and do good for the companies we are with.... all good callers will win a few no matter who they are,, the good people are the ones who come out on top... love you all... quit being dumb.... SEAN

That's true Sean....But what makes it fun for us is having our favorites.
Kinda like having a favorite team. I don't go to a Vikes game and cheer on both teams!!!!

[johnboysmh]

WOW!... you guys are all fired up... myself, Hunter, Mitch are all good friends and love seeing each other... what makes it difficult for us to do that are guys like you... always bustin balls, and saying who is better... we are all good and love what we do.... we try to keep it fun and do good for the companies we are with.... all good callers will win a few no matter who they are,, the good people are the ones who come out on top... love you all... quit being dumb.... SEAN

That's true Sean....But what makes it fun for us is having our favorites.
Kinda like having a favorite team. I don't go to a Vikes game and cheer on both teams!!!!

Yeah same i dont go to a nascar race to cheer for jeff gordon neither

[rushcreekganderlander]

I don't go to root for anyone...just to hear the great calling and maybe learn a thing or two. But maybe I'm just being dumb. :D

[WhiteFeather]

RUSH,

YOU ARE BEING DUMB!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

[mnbenelli]

Rush,

I like my Big Sean sig better than yours....just my .02 cents....

[rushcreekganderlander]

Yeah Mike...well my football team is better than yours...college and pro. :lol:

Thank whitefeather you are being completely smart.

[WhiteFeather]

I know. I knew I was right from the start. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mnbenelli]

Yeah Mike...well my football team is better than yours...college and pro. :lol:

Thank whitefeather you are being completely smart.

And Pro....I'll tell you this much....the pot there must be better than here too....

[rushcreekganderlander]

Yeah Mike...well my football team is better than yours...college and pro. :lol:

Thank whitefeather you are being completely smart.

And Pro....I'll tell you this much....the pot there must be better than here too....

Hell yeah...don't tell me you haven't heard of Meigs County Gold???

[The Duck Squad]

this thread is proof!

Goose callers = drama queens!

[fowlmaster1234]

What about Duck Callers? Squad

[rushcreekganderlander]

For your information I'm just a wanna be goose caller. I use the wrong calls for goose hunting, can't even really sound like a goose, and have never been able to get geese in the decoys. We usually just skybust...60-70 yard shots are possible with todays loads.

[SGTSLTR]

All this "drama" as stated above, from one post of rankings.






I haven't looked at this till today.......wow.

[rushcreekganderlander]

It's been my weekend entertainment. Damn I can't wait for turkey season.

[The Duck Squad]

What about Duck Callers? Squad

what about em?

[fowlmaster1234]

What do they Equal? 6 more weeks to kill a gobbler!

[WhiteFeather]

It's been my weekend entertainment. Damn I can't wait for turkey season.


You and me both.... Its one of those topics that nobody is ever going to win but its always fun to try.

[Killer Miller]

6 more weeks to kill a gobbler!

20 days, 5 hours and some change until opener here...heading out with the Ultratec.

[SteveInTN]

Our Power Rankings at CDC are subjective in the sense that they try to measure who has the best chance at winning a head-to-head competition based on contest results over the trailing 12 months. The World Goose doesn't carry any more weight in the rankings than any other contest, it is all based on who shows up and competes. However, the World Goose does tend to be the highest ranking contest each year because the best of the best DO show up. The reasoning and weight applied to the different variables used to calculate the Power Rankings are published for all to see.

http://www.callingducks.com/rankings_detail.aspx

* Look down at the bottom of the page for info on Goose Rankings

Enjoy!

Steve @ CDC